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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 August 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Graham Simpson

I will turn to Mr Brannen first. Mr Beattie asked about taxable benefits, and we heard that commission staff were able to claim for glasses, for example. Do such benefits exist in the rest of the Scottish Government?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Graham Simpson

That might involve more than just eye tests; there might be other benefits.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Graham Simpson

You said earlier that you were not sure whether any other part of Government gave Christmas gifts to staff.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Graham Simpson

Will you go away and check whether that applies to all the people who work underneath you?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Graham Simpson

Okay. I want to go back to the Harvard trip, Mr Rathjen. Have I pronounced your name correctly?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Graham Simpson

Have you got rid of those corporate credit cards? You said that they were “frozen”. Does that mean that you are getting rid of them?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Graham Simpson

One problem with the system is that people were able to go out and spend money and were not asked to provide receipts. For example, we heard that the former chief executive went for a meal with a water industry person from New Zealand in October 2022 at the Champany Inn near Linlithgow, and that the total cost for that meal for two was £402.41. I have been struggling to work out how you could arrive at such a figure for two people. Before I get into it, do you know what was eaten or consumed that night?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Graham Simpson

Yes. I have been looking at the menu at that fine establishment, and if you picked the most expensive item for starter, main course and dessert, you would get cold-smoked salmon at £12.95 a head, then move on to the chateaubriand, which is £16 per 100g, so if you got the minimum weight of 800g, that would be £128 for two people, then you would move on to a cheese course at £14.50 each. That all adds up to £202.90 for food, so where has the rest of the expenditure come from? Somebody should have queried the bill.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Graham Simpson

You could have challenged it. You could have pushed back and said that the decision was inappropriate and cost far too much money. Part of the approach, which was revealed in another email to you, was that the chief operating officer who went to Harvard identified Harvard as her preferred option. She got to pick where she went. That is part of the approach that you have just said is okay, but it is not okay, is it?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Graham Simpson

Mr Rathjen, you accept that you should have pushed back. You should have said, “This was unacceptable,” but you did not. That is fine: you admit that there was an error. To me, that is part of the culture that existed at the time: nobody was saying, “This is wrong.” Do you accept that point?