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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 August 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Let us deal with the financial element first. Obviously, there have been conflicting views—the figures that I have put forward are different from the Government’s figures. I will bring in Ben McKendrick, who did a lot of work on that. He can perhaps explain how we arrived at those figures.

09:45  

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Some of that will be left to regulations—indeed, quite a lot of the bill allows the Government to make regulations. If we are talking about regional provision, I have said that there should be up to 10 signing places. Ben, am I right in saying that it is up to 10 across the region?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Yes—up to 10 in each constituency. It does not have to be 10, but it could be up to 10, and it is obviously important that those are in the right places. Clearly, I will not set out in a bill where signing places should be; that could be left to regulations.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I am dealing with people who fall foul of the rules. In relation to the whips, I am glad that I do not have to answer to you, Ms Mackay.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I would not recommend that, but they could do that. They could just take the huff and say, “I’m not coming in.”

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

They have.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

It has certainly caused me to think about it, but I have arrived at the same conclusion, which is that it is important that, in the first step of signing the petition, we examine the strength of feeling in the constituency or region. If the petition were stopped once it reached the threshold of 10 per cent of those eligible to sign, we would not really know what the feeling was.

There might be an overwhelming number—let us say 90 per cent, although I do not think that it would ever get to that—of people in a constituency or region saying that there should be a recall vote, which would send a message to the member who was the subject of the petition that the game was up and they might not want to push it any further. If the petition were just closed at 10 per cent, we would never know. That is why I think that it is important that we do not stop it at 10 per cent.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Well, 10 per cent is the threshold, but it is important to get the actual figure, and that is why I would not stop it at 10 per cent. I understand the argument and I have considered it. It would be cheaper, and if saving money is the aim, we could stop a recall petition at 10 per cent. However, it gives the electorate a chance to have their say and it is important that we know what the figure is.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Absolutely not. I am just using him as an example of someone who has switched parties in the current parliamentary session.

09:30  

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I think that the subjective bit that you might be referring to is the non-attendance part and the reasonable excuses for not coming—Rona Mackay has been exploring those questions. I was very clear when I was considering that provision that I would not target people who just do not turn up. Many people in any workplace—and I consider this a workplace—might not go to work for very good reasons. However, there will be a whole host of reasons and I do not think that we can list them in the bill. Life is complicated and we must accept that. People have different things going on in their lives at different times, and I think that, if you are unable to come to work physically for any reason, there ought to be a mechanism for explaining that privately. There will be a subjective test there—