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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 28 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Graham Simpson

The problem is that I am not clear what the policy intent is behind Bob Doris’s amendment. I really am not. I am pretty sure that other committee members who have been listening as closely as I have will also be unclear about that. However, we can be clear that, were we to agree to the amendment—I am pleased to hear that Mr Doris is minded not to move it, but we will discover that later—we could end up in a situation in which ministers have a huge list of people and a long list of countries across the globe with which they are expected to consult. I just think that that would be completely impractical. I am pretty sure that the minister would say that as well. Hopefully, Mr Doris will not move amendment 187.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Graham Simpson

Just for clarity, I point out that Maurice Golden’s amendment 151 would not require ministers to set up a new body; the actual wording is that they must “designate” a body as an advisory body. I have heard what the minister has had to say, but is she against the principle of having such an advisory body?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Graham Simpson

I am curious to know what you mean by “regions”. Do you mean regions in Scottish parliamentary terms or are you referring to the old-style regions that we used to have in Scotland? I am just not clear. When we have something in law, we need to be clear about what we mean.

My second question is on the same theme. What do you mean by “communities”? That could mean different things to different people.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Graham Simpson

Will the member take an intervention?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Graham Simpson

I am glad that Mr Doris has finished there. I think that the most important thing is the language that we use when we lodge amendments. If someone is going to lodge an amendment that includes phrases such as “the Global South”, I would suggest, convener, that they really ought to know what they mean by that. It is not really good enough for Mr Doris to say that it is all down to SCIAF and that he does not really know what “the Global South” means.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Graham Simpson

I say to Monica Lennon that that is why I have provided the committee with a choice of six months or one year.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Graham Simpson

Yes—I certainly will.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Graham Simpson

I will focus on Clare Adamson’s amendment 211. I listened very carefully to the arguments. I was not sure about the amendment, particularly when listening to the minister; however, when Clare Adamson spoke, she persuaded me. She made a very powerful argument as to why the amendment should go forward. She said that she would not move the amendment, but I urge her to do so, because I would like to know what the committee’s view of it would be. If members had listened to Clare Adamson, they would have to have been persuaded by what she said.

I say to Ben Macpherson that, if he feels confident that the minister’s assurance about stage 3 is strong enough, that is fine. He, too, made a strong argument, and could move his amendments 122 and 123. However, if he is assured by what the minister said, he should not do so.

I strongly urge Clare Adamson to move amendment 211.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Graham Simpson

My question follows on from that. Do you see this role being taken on by an existing or brand new body?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Graham Simpson

I will.