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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 August 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I suppose that it is about all of those, but, ultimately, the first stage is an MSP not performing properly or breaking the rules. The misconduct would come first, otherwise none of this applies. If people behave as they should, none of this applies. Ultimately, if the bill goes through, I would love it just to sit there and never be used, with people wondering why it is there, because everyone is behaving. But life is not like that. You know that. We are all human. At some point, somebody will misbehave, and, although the legislation would be a deterrent, somebody will fall foul of it at some point.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Funnily enough, I was asked that by the Senedd committee. I know that this is controversial, but I do not think that it is a crime to switch parties. I am not in favour of having a recall in that situation. However, I do address the situation in which, if somebody has switched party, is subject to a recall vote and loses, they are replaced by the next party on the list that they were elected on.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

The next individual on the list. This would never happen, Ms Webber, but if it were you—

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I understand the point that you are making very well. If we were to have a recall vote, it is inevitable that people might not be going to the place that they are used to. In a normal election, there are quite a lot of places where people go to vote, but there would be fewer under this system, so people would inevitably be asked to go somewhere different.

People could also use a postal vote, which would address the privacy issue that is a concern, particularly at the first stage, when people are voting only to say that a member should be subject to a recall vote. Postal votes could therefore be available.

If we expect people to go somewhere that they are not used to, it is a matter of communication, information and education.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Well, that is fine—you could suspend somebody from the SNP, but they could remain as an MSP. As a whip, you cannot remove somebody as an MSP.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Well, in the case of non-attendance, we are not talking about a recall process.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

You mean who would monitor people’s attendance?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Convener, you have raised one of the issues with which I have wrestled. I have come down on one side of the argument, but I can see the other side of the argument. We might wish to explore the issue at stage 2 or in discussions with the minister.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I know that the equivalent committee at Westminster has lay members. As I said, it is something that should perhaps be considered.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

If the person won the recall vote, I guess that they would sit as an independent.