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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Maurice Golden

How much was required after the third delay for CSL to make it to March? Are you aware of that figure?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Maurice Golden

I am asking whether you are aware, because I have a figure and I would like to cross-check it.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Maurice Golden

So you do not know.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Maurice Golden

Wow!

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Maurice Golden

Thanks, convener.

I am interested in governance of the scheme. As a result of freedom of information responses, we know that, on 3 March 2021, CSL sent an application to the Scottish Government. The then cabinet secretary, Roseanna Cunningham, replied on 21 March 2021 with a series of concerns, one of which was that CSL was still establishing a company, no chair or board had been appointed and there had been no due diligence on producer registration. There is a host of issues there.

At that point, the Scottish Government required an agreement by 1 October 2021 with regard to CSL continuing with the scheme, and there was a go-live date of 1 July 2022. Perhaps the committee might look at whether that date was realistic but, clearly, if it was a fully industry-led scheme there would have been no application process to the Scottish Government and no engagement in the detail that is described. Between that letter and 24 March, as part of that application process, CSL said:

“CSL will not buy new vehicles or build new sheds.”

Clearly, we have seen that that has not been the case. Did the minister sign off on that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Maurice Golden

I just want to know whether the minister signed off on that. In the application, it says that

“CSL will not buy new vehicles or build new sheds”,

but we have seen new sheds and new vehicles.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Maurice Golden

I am not asking the Government to interfere, but to make an assessment. Clearly, the deposit return scheme has now been delayed four times: that is no wonder, if the Scottish Government is not aware of how it can deliver the scheme.

I have a relatively easy question. To the nearest £10 million, what is the total business liability resulting from the delay to the scheme?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Maurice Golden

Do you know?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Maurice Golden

Okay. The application also says that counting centres will be co-located with existing sorting or recycling sites. On 25 May 2023, I asked for a list of those sites, and the minister said that the Scottish Government does not hold that information. How does the Scottish Government expect to deliver a deposit return scheme without understanding some basic tenets to make it successful? Are you really saying that the Scottish Government does not know which sites have been constructed or are operational?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Maurice Golden

I just want to know the total business liability. That is all.