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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 August 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Willie Coffey

The report says that the approval of the £77,000 for the Harvard training course was picked up by “the auditor”. Was that an external or an internal auditor?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2023”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Willie Coffey

I thought that I would mention that, because it was a positive side of what the chief executive described last week with regard to a range of indicators that are of interest to members.

Auditor General, I remember that your predecessors, Caroline Gardner and Bob Black, both said to the committee over several years that there was a need for service redesign and transformation. We know that demand on the NHS is going through the roof—it went through the roof during Covid, and it has not yet dissipated.

Have the recommendations for service redesign and transformation that you are urging the Government to embrace changed in any way since then? Is the model for service transformation that your predecessors envisaged the model that you are recommending now, given the huge change in demand in recent years?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2023”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Willie Coffey

That is what I was going to ask about. Is that model getting people out the door more quickly at the other end and back into the community or to where they are supposed to go? Is it succeeding in that regard?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2023”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Willie Coffey

Digital transformation can offer opportunities, as you also say in your report. Are there, throughout the system, blockages that e-health strategies, telehealth or any other way of embracing digital technology might help to unblock? Could those things help with queues that people face in relation to general practitioner contact or consultation services? Do you see opportunity in that and are we embracing enough of the opportunities to help us?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Willie Coffey

Thank you, convener, and good morning, colleagues.

This meeting is not particularly pleasant. I have been a member of the Parliament—and of the Public Audit Committee, on and off—for 17 years now, and I have to be honest with you and say that this is one of the worst sessions that I have ever participated in.

I have a few questions that I would like to ask Mr Rathjen. On whether the expense was retrospectively approved, you said that, ultimately, it did not make a difference, because it had already been incurred. Why would you do that? Why would you not state your case and say that it was unapproved? You cannot approve something that is clearly not approvable, if you understand my meaning. Why did you not do that? Ultimately, the public would like to know what the difference is between approving something and not approving it. If there is no difference in outcome, what is the point?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Willie Coffey

I will come to the audit in a minute, but what would have happened in Government if you had not approved it? Surely there would be a difference between approving it and not approving it.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Willie Coffey

Turning to the issue of audit, I note that the issue was picked up by an auditor, but I am not sure whether that was an internal or external audit. Can somebody clarify whether an external or internal auditor picked up this issue?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Willie Coffey

Why was it not picked up by the internal audit team? Is there an internal audit team?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Willie Coffey

Did declaring it as an options appraisal somehow give some comfort with regard to making that decision and not seeking approval? It is clearly not a tender process—an options appraisal is not a tender process. Who introduced the notion that it was an options appraisal process and therefore did not need Scottish Government approval?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Willie Coffey

I really appreciate all of that, but are you saying that what happened cannot happen again? There should be no need for a quiet word from the Auditor General before the sponsor team becomes aware that something has happened. There must be some sort of earlier, better and quicker engagement to stop such a problem arising. Internal audit did not fail: instead, it was ignored, because of the circumstances that your colleagues have described. You were not aware of that until the tail end, and that must change. The sponsorship relationship should be closer and more engaged in whatever way is necessary.