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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Scottish Environment Protection Agencyâ€

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Willie Coffey

I appreciate what you have said, but can you please confirm that, should something of a similar nature occur again, the back-up data could not be physically or logically accessed by any hackers who might wish to do that? There has to be complete separation of your data to protect it from future hacks.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Scottish Environment Protection Agencyâ€

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Willie Coffey

Great—thank you very much for that.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Scottish Environment Protection Agencyâ€

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Willie Coffey

I thank Jo Green for that answer. David Pirie does not need to tell us about the details. The committee simply wants to be reassured that the back-up strategy is different from, and more secure than, the previous one. As we all know, another phishing email could come in on any day, through which—by clicking, linking, following or whatever—staff could inadvertently provide access to your systems data. I just want to get a sense that that issue has been recognised and that steps have been taken to provide additional protection for SEPA’s systems data.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2021â€

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Willie Coffey

Auditor General, I want to talk about NHS workforce recovery and connect it to the skills issue. I know that the Government agrees that innovation and service redesign are essential. I go back to the time of your predecessor Robert Black, when I sat on the Public Audit Committee. I think that Colin Beattie was there, too. Robert Black presented a report like yours, in which he said that service redesign was essential. I know that a lot of work has been done since then, but you say in your report that

“there is not enough detailâ€

in the recovery plan to give us the assurances that we need on achieving the ambitions and the timescales that might apply.

Will you talk a little more about that? What kind of information do we need in the recovery plan to help us to drive the redesign process forward?

10:30  

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2021â€

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Willie Coffey

I will ask a question about workforce planning in a moment. However, on the subject of service redesign as it applies to people’s experience of general practice, have we done a good enough job in taking the public with us on the changes? I still get a lot of my constituents raising issues about access models, and the expectation is expressed that the system that we had will be the system that we have going forward. Have we made enough progress on taking the public with us and changing the model for the better?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2021â€

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Willie Coffey

Thank you.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2021â€

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Willie Coffey

Lastly, do you think that we are doing enough to make the public aware that those opportunities are there? Every year that I have been in Parliament, we have identified issues to do with skills. I represent a constituency where the unemployment levels are always higher than those in the rest of Scotland, and in NHS Ayrshire and Arran, we need those skills for the future to help us redesign the service. How are we closing that gap between the skills that are needed in the service and the skills that people have? How are we making opportunities available to local people to fill the gap? We seem to say every year that the gap is still there—how do we close it? Is it strategies, is it documents such as this one or is it workforce planning? How do we reach out to the public to draw them into the services that we need to fill?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Scottish Environment Protection Agencyâ€

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Willie Coffey

What staff support, financial support or other support has SEPA had from the Scottish Government to get through the attack, recover from it and move forward? Other organisations are vulnerable to such attacks, not just SEPA. Have you been able to share your experience with other bodies to make them aware of what might happen and of the actions that you have taken that they might wish to consider implementing?

09:15  

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Scottish Environment Protection Agencyâ€

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Willie Coffey

Can I go back to him?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Scottish Environment Protection Agencyâ€

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Willie Coffey

Hello, David. I cannot see you on screen. I was asking about the back-up strategy and whether you could give the committee some assurance that the back-up procedure that is in place will, as far as possible, make the same type of cyberattack impossible to succeed, and that your back-up data is physically separate from the main systems data.

As I understand it, the hack reached the back-up data first, so you were unable to reinstate your systems. Have you taken steps to make sure that that data separation is physical, so that the back-up data cannot be attacked, should there be a future attack?