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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 25 August 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Willie Coffey

You mentioned vested interests and that, in our evidence sessions, we have hardly heard a single voice from a person who is receiving care or from those with lived experience, which is an omission that we need to look at. Can you assure the committee that, in shaping your bill and its proposals, you engaged with service users, people with lived experience and people who are on the front line of getting and receiving care?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Willie Coffey

Do you believe that there is sufficient consistency and quality of service across Scotland at the moment?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Willie Coffey

Those ideas are very much contained in the Feeley report. I hope that, when we hear from the minister, who will give evidence next, he will tell us how they form part of the bill.

I thank the witnesses for their contributions in answering my questions.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Willie Coffey

Jane Fowler, do you have anything to add?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Willie Coffey

That brings me to my final question on the matter, which is about consistency. You might have heard me asking the previous panel of witnesses how we get a consistent approach right across Scotland without a national approach. I do not think that they were totally clear in what their views were on that. I am really concerned about it, and I appreciate that it is at the heart of the bill. How do we ensure that we get a nationally consistent level of quality in services but retain the existing services—you mentioned East Ayrshire—that are already delivering a first-class service? How do we ensure that we do both?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Willie Coffey

It is important that I let other colleagues come in. Thank you for those responses.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Willie Coffey

Eddie Fraser spoke at length about how well he feels the IJB arrangements are working in East Ayrshire. Is it fair to say that that is not consistent across Scotland? I want to explore why our witnesses think that is and how they think we can get consistency of provision without taking a national approach.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Willie Coffey

The previous two panels were at pains to emphasise local variability in delivery of services. We have information and evidence—for example, from the Improvement Service’s local government benchmarking framework—that shows differences not in how services are delivered, but in performance. The idea is that the national care service will improve performance and make it consistent. Why are there such differences? Are they down only to localism, or are there real differences in performance and the level of service that people get across Scotland?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Willie Coffey

That was clear, Ewan. Thank you for that.

I have a question for Yvette Burgess. The CCPS submission talks about the importance of flexibility and collaboration at the local level. Other witnesses have talked about that at great length this morning. Are those threatened by the bill or can they be enhanced, retained and protected by it?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Willie Coffey

Good morning. That comment brings me to the question that I had in mind for you. Audit Scotland’s “Social care briefing” identified a number of issues, most of which require urgent attention. How do those sit alongside the plans to introduce a national care service? Can they run in parallel? Clearly, the national care service will be a longer-term change, but you identified in the report that some urgent action is required. Will you expand on your concerns relating to tackling the urgent and pressing needs?