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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 June 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Willie Coffey

You mentioned vested interests and that, in our evidence sessions, we have hardly heard a single voice from a person who is receiving care or from those with lived experience, which is an omission that we need to look at. Can you assure the committee that, in shaping your bill and its proposals, you engaged with service users, people with lived experience and people who are on the front line of getting and receiving care?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Willie Coffey

The previous two panels were at pains to emphasise local variability in delivery of services. We have information and evidence—for example, from the Improvement Service’s local government benchmarking framework—that shows differences not in how services are delivered, but in performance. The idea is that the national care service will improve performance and make it consistent. Why are there such differences? Are they down only to localism, or are there real differences in performance and the level of service that people get across Scotland?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Willie Coffey

That was clear, Ewan. Thank you for that.

I have a question for Yvette Burgess. The CCPS submission talks about the importance of flexibility and collaboration at the local level. Other witnesses have talked about that at great length this morning. Are those threatened by the bill or can they be enhanced, retained and protected by it?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Willie Coffey

Good morning. That comment brings me to the question that I had in mind for you. Audit Scotland’s “Social care briefing” identified a number of issues, most of which require urgent attention. How do those sit alongside the plans to introduce a national care service? Can they run in parallel? Clearly, the national care service will be a longer-term change, but you identified in the report that some urgent action is required. Will you expand on your concerns relating to tackling the urgent and pressing needs?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Willie Coffey

My next question is for COSLA and SOLACE. On the flip side of that, the Audit Scotland report identified that, although we know that a huge amount of public money is spent on social care,

“progress in moving to more preventative approaches to delivering social care has been limited.”

What are your views on that? Perhaps both Eddies could comment on that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Willie Coffey

That is probably enough from me, in the interest of bringing in other colleagues.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Willie Coffey

However, we agree that there is inconsistency across Scotland in delivering the outcomes that we all seek. How do we address that without a national model that could apply the standards that Eddie Fraser described earlier? How, without national application of standards, would we improve consistency in authorities where it is needed?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Willie Coffey

Are there any other comments about flexibility and collaboration? Will we lose them or can we retain and develop them under the bill?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Willie Coffey

Thank you for that, Ashley.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Willie Coffey

It is important that I let other colleagues come in. Thank you for those responses.