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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 August 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Conversion Therapy (PE1817)

Meeting date: 16 November 2021

Joe FitzPatrick

We have certainly heard evidence from people who have said that that happened to them—they consented in theory to something that they now realise was torture. Peter Lynas wants to come in on that question before Pam Duncan-Glancy comes back in.

10:45  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Conversion Therapy (PE1817)

Meeting date: 16 November 2021

Joe FitzPatrick

I think that Peter Lynas does.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Conversion Therapy (PE1817)

Meeting date: 16 November 2021

Joe FitzPatrick

Peter Lynas has indicated that he would like to speak. We do not have to hear from everybody on every question, but the witnesses can indicate if they want to respond.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Conversion Therapy (PE1817)

Meeting date: 16 November 2021

Joe FitzPatrick

On the subject of legal language, I note that this Parliament struggled with the issues around consent when we looked at legislating on domestic abuse, and we came to a slightly different and more finessed answer.

Does Piers or Anthony want to respond to Fulton’s question?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Conversion Therapy (PE1817)

Meeting date: 16 November 2021

Joe FitzPatrick

Anthony Horan wants to come back in.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Conversion Therapy (PE1817)

Meeting date: 16 November 2021

Joe FitzPatrick

Dr Jones, would you like to come in?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Conversion Therapy (PE1817)

Meeting date: 16 November 2021

Joe FitzPatrick

Thank you both for your opening statements. I apologise for the fact that, because of my bad convening, we are running over time, but the evidence that we have been hearing has been quite extensive.

The first question is from Pam Gosal.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Petition

Meeting date: 2 November 2021

Joe FitzPatrick

Thank you for that powerful evidence.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Petition

Meeting date: 2 November 2021

Joe FitzPatrick

Okay. As I said, we are slightly over time, and as no one else has a burning question to ask, I thank all the witnesses for taking the time to come along. Their evidence has been really powerful, as has all the evidence that we have taken.

I think it useful to highlight that, last week, in a safe space, the committee took evidence in private from survivors of conversion therapy. Therefore, as well as hearing from the witnesses today, we have heard from a range of people who have direct experience of conversion practices.

11:17 Meeting suspended.  

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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Proposed Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 2 November 2021

Joe FitzPatrick

Thank you for those opening remarks and for the statement of reasons. The committee’s role today is to decide whether we agree with your statement of reasons not to consult. I have taken some time to look at the responses to the previous consultation. As you mentioned, a lot of them involve people telling their personal experiences, which is hugely powerful. I guess that one argument why the committee should accept your statement of reasons is that those experiences stand and, as you said, if you were to consult again, you would hear the same stories again. That is almost certainly true.

However, one purpose of consultation is to guide the drafting of proposed legislation. What timescales are you working to in bringing a bill to the Parliament? As part of that process, even if you did not formally re-consult, how would you get views from people with lived experience on the specifics of delivery rather than hear their very important life experiences?