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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

Excellent. Increasing access to pre-school childcare hours is really helpful to parents, particularly in relation to their being able to get back to work. One of the challenges is that that provision can sometimes be rigid and not work around the real-world demands of having a job.

A couple of weeks ago, Shona Robison and I visited the Fintry Mains nursery—not in my constituency but in the patch for which I used to be a local councillor—where Flexible Childcare Services Scotland supports childcare that wraps around parents’ needs. We know that parents’ ability to get out and go to work has a huge benefit in relation to tackling child poverty and all the challenges that come with it. How can we support that kind of model to be more accessible? The parents there were amazing, and all the folk who worked there were passionate about what they were doing, but, clearly, not all pre-school provision is as flexible.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

I turn to the Minister for Higher and Further Education. It has been some time since the situation at the University of Dundee came to light. Although there is perhaps less immediate stress than there was at the start, the situation is still stressful for staff and students, and there is still a lack of understanding of exactly when there will be clarity about how the university will move forward in a sustainable way and what that will mean for individual staff and students in relation to their courses. It would be good if you could give us a bit of an update on that and some assurance that what feels like a protracted timescale might be coming to an end soon.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

I have other questions, but I know that Mr Rennie wants to follow up in relation to the University of Dundee, so I am happy to wait and see whether I get some time later.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

It might be helpful to hear from the cabinet secretary about the engagement with trade unions, because what I have heard is concerning.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

My substantive question will be about the University of Dundee, but I will first pick up on a few areas that other members have already touched on.

The convener has talked about the additional pressures that teachers are facing and how we support them in tackling them. Although you, as cabinet secretary, are responsible for setting national education policy, as you said in your response, one of the challenges for the Government is that local authorities are directly responsible for delivery. The issues that have been raised by the convener are important and they are having an impact on children and young people’s education. How do we ensure that the Scottish Government, local authorities and, crucially, our trade unions and staff members work together as one to tackle some of that, when there are sometimes conflicts in what people want to get out of the process, even if everybody wants to do what is best for the young folk?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

Additional money has been given for teacher numbers across Scotland. Are you aware of any councils that are not using that money to increase teacher numbers? Are any councils cutting teacher numbers?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

My understanding is that South Lanarkshire Council has taken the decision to cut teacher numbers despite that additional funding. If that is confirmed, how concerned will you be? I think that it is in the public domain that the Labour authority has made that decision.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

That was really helpful.

I note that there is still a significant reliance on international students. We had some principals in last week who told us about some of the challenges in that regard, and we now have the new UK Government’s approach to migration, which, instead of helping the situation, might make things more challenging. Has the Government made an assessment of the white paper and the potential harms arising from further restrictions on our international student populations at universities?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

My next question is for the minister. My Dundee constituency is one of the Government’s early adopter communities for the work on ELC, so can you give the committee an update on or insight into what is being done and how it is going?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

It is good to hear about the engagement between the cabinet secretary and the trade unions, because I think that there is still a concern, certainly locally, that the trade unions do not feel that they are being properly and meaningfully engaged in the process. Therefore, it is good to know that the Government has been reaching out to them.

You mentioned that you now have an ask. Has that ask been agreed to, or is there a timescale for getting clarity on that?