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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth’s Industrial Future

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Bob Doris

Minister, I am sorry to interrupt, as it is not in my nature to cut across people who are giving evidence to the committee. I apologise—it is only because I have time constraints in relation to my questions.

I know that I mentioned REMA, but the point that I was trying to make was about the actions that the UK Government can take to reduce the electricity costs for green hydrogen. I am not being discourteous but, rather than asking for an extended explanation of what REMA is, I am asking: what is the UK Government doing to reduce the electricity costs for green hydrogen? That is what the five energy companies and the Acorn project wanted to know.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth’s Industrial Future

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Bob Doris

Good morning. Minister, I was pleased to hear you say that you want to do everything that you can to speed up investment, so I want to make some suggestions to you about the things that we can do now. I also sit on the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee, which, yesterday, heard from five energy companies and the general manager of the Acorn project on the hydrogen economy and project willow. One of the major barriers is that more than 70 per cent of the costs of green hydrogen relate to electricity. Those costs can be brought down, and some suggestions were made about how to do that. I am conscious that, more generally, there is a review of electricity market arrangements in the UK.

Direct action could be taken to dramatically reduce the costs of producing green hydrogen. Those costs are a key barrier to getting the investment that we want, so what is happening on that, minister?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth’s Industrial Future

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Bob Doris

That would be helpful. I think that you can get to about 20 per cent in blending before you have to start looking at the infrastructure and changing the pipe network.

I want to ask about project union, the 1,500-mile transmission pipeline grid for hydrogen that is being considered. At yesterday’s meeting of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee, one of the witnesses—I think that it was the general manager of the Acorn project; I apologise if it was a different witness—said that the Scottish Government should put pressure on the UK Government to give certainty in relation to when the Scottish part of the project will be complete. I understand that the next leg will be in Scotland, hooking up the Acorn project, the Grangemouth cluster and other grid networks.

We have been told that a lack of commitment to carbon capture through the Acorn project and also to grid and pipework infrastructure will surely compromise the investment that we all want to happen. You said that you will do everything that is possible to speed up investment. It would help industry and investors if the UK Government could say, “Project union in Scotland means that this will happen by date X, and this is what it will look like.” That would bring investment into the sector now. Can you give any clarity on that, either just now or following up in writing?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Bob Doris

Yes.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Bob Doris

I do not want to put words in your mouth but, to paraphrase, you are, in part, saying that the lack of certainty and clarity is impacting on investment now.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Bob Doris

I will go to my final question. I will bring in Tim Dumenil, because he might also want to reflect on the previous answer. I know that there are time constraints.

What are your views on the potential transportation of hydrogen by ship, either as ammonia or compressed hydrogen? Our notes say that, as the years go by, that will become more viable and potentially more important. I am interested to know your views on that. Tim, do you want to come in on that? You can also reflect on the previous question if you wish.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Bob Doris

I see nodding heads. I do not want to put words in your mouth, Tim, but are you suggesting that pivoting towards shipping in the years ahead might compromise the infrastructure that we need for long-term sustainability? Could shipping be counterproductive?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Bob Doris

That is helpful, because it ties in quite well with what Mr Amos said about how you get that high value and a bigger boost for your economy and everything else. Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Bob Doris

Tim, you said that, in a previous existence, you were involved with Acorn and you mentioned some of those issues. Do you want to comment on anything that you have heard so far?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Bob Doris

Good afternoon, everyone. You probably heard me put a similar question to the previous panel—you were coming in as Mr Lumsden and I were asking questions. It is about a national network of hydrogen pipes moving hydrogen around Scotland and the UK, and project union was mentioned. I asked the first panel about the hope that that will be in place by the mid-2030s but it will not all happen at the one time—it will be phased and prioritised for the benefit of Scotland, the Scottish economy and our net zero targets. How should that work be phased and prioritised in the Scottish context? It would be helpful to know that.