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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 December 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Adult Disability Payment

Meeting date: 27 November 2025

Bob Doris

Thanks, Marie. It is a really good line of questioning. We are always under time constraints on a Thursday morning, and I am sorry about that. I want to sneak in a brief question, then Jeremy Balfour wants to come back in.

Elena Whitham raised the issue of how we get to the report’s more personalised and holistic approach for assessments, and Carol Mochan talked about the inconsistencies in decisions. There is a tension between those things; doing one might exacerbate the other. I apologise for a really bad comparison, but I have sat on job interview panels, using points-based systems. You look at competencies and you do a total at the end, but the person who gets the job is not always the person who gets the highest total of points, because you look at things in the round. You look at the points total, which is how you get to your short leet, then you take a step back and look at the overall package that a person might bring to the post. I am sorry for that dreadful comparison, but we have, almost, a cliff-edge system.

The report said that we should stick with the points-based system, despite all its failings, because it is important to provide certainty. However, should there be a degree of discretion whereby an assessor can take a step back and say, “This person is one point short of qualifying, but, if we look holistically at them, they probably should qualify”? Is there a way of mixing the points system with a more holistic approach?

09:45  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Adult Disability Payment

Meeting date: 27 November 2025

Bob Doris

That is very helpful—thank you.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Adult Disability Payment

Meeting date: 27 November 2025

Bob Doris

We could have asked lots more questions, but there are time constraints with a Thursday morning slot. Needless to say, we are very grateful to you for bringing your expertise and speaking to the really important report that you have published. I am sure that it will feature in our legacy report, and I have no doubt that our successor committee on the other side of the Scottish elections will return to the issue in due course. For now, I thank you.

We will suspend briefly before moving to our next panel of witnesses.

09:51 Meeting suspended.  

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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Adult Disability Payment

Meeting date: 27 November 2025

Bob Doris

We turn to our second panel of witnesses for our scrutiny of adult disability payment. I welcome to the meeting Stephen Boyle, the Auditor General for Scotland; and Erin McGinley, senior auditor, performance audit and best value, from Audit Scotland. Thank you both for joining us today. I acknowledge that you sat through the previous evidence session, and we are very grateful for that. I invite the Auditor General to make some brief opening remarks.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Adult Disability Payment

Meeting date: 27 November 2025

Bob Doris

I do not want to get caught up in this, so I will just move on to the next question, which I hope does not sound like a daft-laddie one. How can we objectively measure fairness, dignity and respect? I am unclear about that.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Adult Disability Payment

Meeting date: 27 November 2025

Bob Doris

Because of time constraints, it will have to be brief.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Adult Disability Payment

Meeting date: 27 November 2025

Bob Doris

Are you talking about the end-to-end process?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Adult Disability Payment

Meeting date: 27 November 2025

Bob Doris

I think that that was perhaps a “maybe”, Mr Balfour. I call Carol Mochan.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 November 2025

Bob Doris

That concludes our public business for the day, and we move into private session.

10:42 Meeting continued in private until 11:03.  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Bob Doris

Yes, convener. I just want to put on record what is on page 8 of the briefing that has been prepared for us on this matter. It says:

“A voluntary phaseout by 2025 on the use of lead shot that was led by UK shooting organisations has been shown to be largely ineffective at minimising the use of lead ammunition, and therefore effective regulation is required in this case.”

If UK shooting organisations were content to go for a voluntary phase-out, they must have thought it a practical thing to do, even though it turned out not to be successful in driving the change that we want to see.

I also note that—and this is verbatim from the briefing in front of us:

“The Agency only considered a restriction where appropriate alternatives were available, therefore small calibre bullets (=6.17mm) for live quarry shooting have not been included in the restriction as there was insufficient evidence that viable alternatives were available.”

I do not have any background in this matter, convener, but a briefing that has been prepared for us ahead of this committee meeting seems to substantiate the idea that this was a reasonable thing to do.

I get that your experience in this is very bespoke, convener, but it is only fair to put the alternative view or position on the record this morning, given that it is in our briefing papers.