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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 June 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 31 October 2024

Bob Doris

Mr O鈥橩ane, before you come back in, I note that we are moving slightly away from the regulations. I will not prevent you from coming back in, but I note that Marie McNair wants to ask a supplementary question. If you finish your line of questioning, I will then bring her in.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 31 October 2024

Bob Doris

Thank you, cabinet secretary. We now move to questions from MSP colleagues, and I ask Katy Clark to kick off.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 31 October 2024

Bob Doris

The result of the division is: For 3, Against 0, Abstentions 4.

Motion agreed to,

That the Social Justice and Social Security Committee recommends that the Winter Heating Assistance (Pension Age) (Scotland) Regulations 2024 [draft] be approved.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 31 October 2024

Bob Doris

Of course it is.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 31 October 2024

Bob Doris

Yes, of course I will, Mr Balfour.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 31 October 2024

Bob Doris

Members now have the opportunity to contribute to a debate on the motion. Does any member wish to speak?

I see that Mr Balfour wishes to speak. I ask the clerks, if any other member wishes to speak, to put their names in the chat function.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 31 October 2024

Bob Doris

Cabinet secretary, I have one brief supplementary question. It might be one for you to reflect on and write back to the committee, because I expect that we will return to this policy matter once the legal case, which is subject to the sub judice rule, is disposed of in one way or another.

How much notice would the UK Government have been required to give the Scottish Government of its intention to scrap the provision of winter fuel payments to all pensioners, to allow you to pivot and to seriously consider any alternatives or mitigations?

I also have another point on which I ask the Scottish Government to reflect. Other measures and mitigations can be brought forward only if the Scottish Government knows how much cash it has in its pocket. How much notice would you need of the financial settlement for the current financial year, which can still be revised, and for the following financial year, to allow you to budget appropriately to do something different?

You might say that, in asking that question, I am drifting away from the regulations, in which case you could perhaps bank it and write to the committee about that at a later date. However, it is clear that the lines of questioning from members so far relate to what could have been done differently, so that information would be helpful.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 31 October 2024

Bob Doris

Katy Clark has a supplementary.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 31 October 2024

Bob Doris

The question is, that motion S6M-14682, in the name of Shirley-Anne Somerville, be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Bob Doris

Is that a very concise way of saying that the Scottish Government will take into account people elsewhere鈥檚 experiences of raising issues with independent panels that are not necessarily鈥攁lbeit that I do not want to use this word鈥攃ompetent? I suppose that some of the narrative around this would be that, if you are dissatisfied with an outcome, you do not like the panel. Is the Scottish Government confident that lessons that need to be learned will be learned during development of the guidance?