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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Bob Doris

That is quite helpful. I do not want to misinterpret what you are saying. Rather than there being a statutory duty on the landowner to deliver everything in the land management plan, you seem to be saying that, if reasonable, good-faith efforts have not been made to deliver the contents of such a plan, that should be a compliance issue. Have I interpreted that correctly?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Bob Doris

I have a final question and will go to Gemma Cooper first. If you have any reflections on my previous question, please feel free to share them, Gemma.

Who reports compliance issues or breaches of the land management plan? The bill as it stands is relatively restrictive, in that only certain groups are able to do that. Of course, there is a balance to be struck between the obvious bodies that could report on a potential breach or lack of compliance versus what could be malicious reporting.

I will not come back in after this, convener.

Irrespective of who can or cannot report on compliance or on breaches, should the commissioner be able to undertake proactive work on a small scale in order to see what is happening with land management plans, so that we are not reliant on issues being reported?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Bob Doris

There may be and there may not鈥攚e have looked at cross-compliance previously, but it is still not clear whether there will be cross-compliance. At face value, if it costs up to 拢20,000 to produce a plan and the fine for not producing one is 拢5,000, there seems to be an incentive either to not produce a plan or to produce one that is pretty threadbare. Do you not see any case for increasing the maximum fine from 拢5,000?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Bob Doris

Thank you, convener. I apologise for attending the meeting remotely. I have been following the evidence with interest. I hope that the requirement for a break after my line of questioning is not a reflection on me, but there we have it.

To return briefly to the 3,000 hectare threshold, I said last week to witnesses that that is just a number to many people鈥攃ertainly to someone based in Maryhill, as I am.

Glasgow鈥檚 botanic gardens and grounds sit in my constituency鈥攊n part, anyway鈥攁nd they would fit 150 times into 3,000 hectares. It would seem remarkable that, if the gardens fitted only 149 times into 3,000 hectares, they would not be required to have a land management plan. Given that comparison, which I made to make the number real, does Mr Bean have any further reflections? How much more, or how much less, than 3,000 hectares should the threshold be?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Bob Doris

That is really helpful. David Bean, do you have anything to add?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Bob Doris

So, a proactive approach would be helpful?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Bob Doris

David Bean, do you have any reflections on that, before we move on to my next question?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Bob Doris

I get that. Are there any other reflections? Sarah-Jane Laing, if Glasgow botanic gardens fitted into the required threshold 100 times, would that be reasonable? Is there a case for bringing the threshold below 3,000 hectares, given the comparison that I am drawing?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Bob Doris

That is interesting. I need to move on, so I apologise to Gemma Cooper for not bringing her in on that point. It is interesting to hear about the idea of having a backstop of 3,000 hectares, but perhaps with a lower threshold based on other criteria. That is really interesting for members as we scrutinise the bill.

On compliance, we heard that land management plans could be positive for landowners and communities鈥擲arah-Jane Laing made some positive comments about that. Land management statements might be happening already in some cases, and there are real opportunities there. However, there is a debate around having a high-level strategic document versus specific localised elements and requirements. There seems to be a slight tension in relation to some of that.

Whatever we end up with, if the penalty for not producing a land management plan is a maximum of 拢5,000 but it costs up to 拢20,000 every five years to produce one, would it be easier for people to just not produce one? Do we have to look again at the fines and compliance? Fining is a last resort, but is 拢5,000 just too low in that context?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Bob Doris

Would it be correct to say that that is your view, unless the landowner has not acted in good faith or made reasonable efforts to implement the terms that are in the land management plan?