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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 June 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Eradicating Child Poverty

Meeting date: 29 May 2025

Bob Doris

I think that it would be. I appreciate that it is more challenging to measure the impact of the so-called less well-kent policies or the smaller, more targeted policies, but more information would be welcome.

I can suggest lots of different ways in which we could spend more money, cabinet secretary, and I am sure that you would say, “Where is that money coming from, Mr Doris?” It is important that we know what works, what is targeted and what can make a real difference. Any more information that you can provide on that would be helpful.

I have another question on that point. Do we do qualitative surveys with parents about what works? For example, the school clothing grant, free school meals and the best start grant might not turn the dial on child poverty, but they might change the lived experience of families. We heard some evidence of that when we did our child poverty inquiry; a lot of people who were not lifted out of poverty still had direct positive life experiences because of targeted interventions by the Scottish Government.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Bob Doris

So, at official level, Government officials were working with other Government officials elsewhere in the UK. I assume that those officials must have been updating Government ministers periodically and you were content that the process was a robust and transparent one in which the Scottish Government’s views were heard.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Bob Doris

I have no reason to believe that the scheme administrator will not do a very good job. However, fast-forwarding a few years, if we find that the Scottish voice is not being heard by the UK scheme administrator, what power is there for on-going discussion between the Scottish Government and the scheme administrator about tweaking things to ensure that the unique positions of remote and rural communities, island communities or local authorities are being heard at UK level?

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Bob Doris

It is helpful to be reminded of that.

I think that we have already heard the answer to my final question, but we can put it on the record again. Can you summarise any significant changes that have been made to the role of the scheme administrator compared with what it would have looked like under the previous Scottish system? I am not talking about glass. I am talking about other matters. For example, how will fees work for small producers? Has that changed under the new dovetailing scheme? Has the process for setting deposit levels changed? What are the differences?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Planning and Infrastructure Bill

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Bob Doris

To allow the new fees to come into place.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Planning and Infrastructure Bill

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Bob Doris

Okay.

I have one final question. Let us say that the process goes swimmingly well, the new fee regime is developed and the UK secretary of state says what they will do. If, at some point in the future, the Scottish ministers wish to lay further regulations to change how fees for ports are developed or to change what the fee regime looks like, will there be any recourse to the UK secretary of state or will the matter be fully in the hands of the Scottish ministers?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Planning and Infrastructure Bill

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Bob Doris

So the only issue that we are talking about is whether there could be a gap.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Bob Doris

I should maybe ask a question about whether the scheme will recycle brass necks, which I think that we have seen in this committee recently. However, I want to ask about the scheme administrator.

The scheme administrator will be for Scotland, England and Northern Ireland. What was the Scottish Government’s involvement in the process of deciding what the powers of the scheme administrator will be and appointing the scheme administrator? We have heard about handling fees, the consultation requirements and some powers that the Scottish Government would have had under the previous scheme but that the scheme administrator will now have. It is important to know what that process was like and what the Scottish Government’s involvement was.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Bob Doris

A decision was made that it would be a single body. I know that the Scottish Government could have decided to have a DMO for Scotland, but it would have had to have dovetailed nicely with the administrator for England and Northern Ireland, so it was decided to have one scheme administrator. Are there any implications to be worked through in that? For example, rurality could have a significant impact on a deposit return scheme in Scotland, as we have heard already. Local authorities’ voices in Scotland can be projected strongly to the heart of the Scottish Government, but that might be more challenging at UK level. Also, the fact that we have island communities might have a certain impact on how the scheme operates.

Given that we will not have a specific administrator for Scotland, how can we ensure that all those voices are heard at the heart of the UK scheme?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Planning and Infrastructure Bill

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Bob Doris

I want to ask about clause 42 of the bill. I am conscious that Nick Gosling might be the one who answers these questions.

First, can I get the factual situation with regard to clause 42 on the record? I notice that it provides enhanced powers for the Scottish ministers in respect of fees for harbour revision orders to allow recovery of costs associated with the handling of applications for port development. We are told that the Scottish Government is content with that provision. Would it allow the Scottish Government to have a new system for the recovery of fees, rather than the existing provision in the Harbours Act 1964, which I think that the cabinet secretary referred to? Is that the situation?