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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 December 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Bob Doris

Maybe I have picked up the previous evidence session wrong, and the point is about a lack of clarity rather than a flaw in the bill, but I wanted to draw that to your attention.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Bob Doris

Could there be a situation in which the threshold for ecocide might be doubtful in relation to the law but the Crown Office and others want to see greater penalties than can be imposed under the 2014 act? That might mean that they seek a remedy using the new legislation so that greater penalties can be imposed, rather than because the incident meets the threshold for ecocide. Is that a danger, Mr Whittle?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Bob Doris

My point was not that we should ditch the 12 months; it is about having a bit of nuance and light and shade. Do you have examples of situations where a derogation would be reasonable, rather than ditching the period altogether?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Bob Doris

My question is on the exact same thing, but that is fine, because maybe it shows that there is something in that. I wonder whether 12 months is always a realistic recovery period. It must have been based on incidents or events that have already happened, but the natural cycle of things might mean that 18 to 24 months would give enough time for a robust and evidence-based recovery plan to be put in place, rather than having a cliff edge of 12 months. Does Jonnie Hall have any comments on that?

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Bob Doris

Again, because of time constraints, I will not explore that further.

I will turn to my final comment on the definition. This point does not mean that I disagree with the policy intent of any of this, but I think that there might be a need for clarity. I think that the witnesses on the previous panel pretty much all agreed that, if an individual left a barbecue in an open area and it led to a forest fire and there was significant damage, that would be seen as an ecocide event. However, we heard in the same evidence session that the policy intent is also to create a corporate offence at the very highest level.

A forest fire is an event at a very serious and high level, but that does not necessarily mean that it is a corporate offence. Is there a blurring around the intention of the bill? If we have an offence in relation to barbecue fires, and then a corporate offence at the highest level, they seem to rub up against each other a bit. I do not know whether you heard the previous evidence session, but do you have any comments on that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Bob Doris

Who is that question for, Jeremy?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Bob Doris

Thank you, Mr Balfour. We are about to move on, but if either Leah Duncan-Karrim or Adam Stachura would like to make a short, pithy comment on the question, please come in鈥擨 apologise that we are a bit short of time.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Bob Doris

The clarity is helpful, although it may not be helpful with balancing the budget. Your point is that there should be additional priorities, rather than different priorities, which feeds in nicely to our next theme.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Bob Doris

Perhaps I can bring in Adam Stachura first, because he has rightly set out what the additional priorities should be. We may come to Allan Faulds after that, given that he made some suggestions earlier, if that is okay.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Bob Doris

Leah, do you want to take up the cudgels on that?