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I will restrict myself to speaking about amendment 22 and you will be pleased to hear that I will speak briefly.

Regarding land management plans, section 44A gives ministers the power to impose obligations on large landholdings and section 44D specifies the land in relation to which those obligations will be imposed. Amendment 22 would ensure that, if the Scottish ministers decided, for any reason, to exclude certain types of land that would otherwise have obligations placed on them, they

“must, when laying the regulations, publish a statement setting out their reasons for not imposing the obligations on the land”.

I met representatives of Community Land Scotland who thought that that would be an important addition. The amendment would simply put the need for clarity and transparency into the legislation.

Having spoken to the cabinet secretary ahead of lodging amendment 22, I was reassured that the Scottish Government would provide a rationale as a matter of course, without statutory compulsion to do so. That said, amendment 22 looks to future proof the matter, should other Governments take a different approach.

I ask members to support amendment 22.

The costs for landowners will be in the development and publication of land management plans, and the requirements for that are already in the bill. As has been outlined, there are regulations in the bill that specify the format that the land management plans must use. An obligation to then pass the plans, in the prescribed format, to the relevant public body should add no costs at all. I will listen carefully to the Scottish Government’s position on any associated costs for the public body, how those costs could be absorbed into that body’s budget and whether those costs could be covered elsewhere. However, I do not see my amendments’ proposals leading to any substantial costs at all.

My amendment 20 ensures that, in the development of land management plans, not only will communities be consulted, but that

“there is engagement with any tenants, crofters or small landholders with rights associated with the land on the development of, and significant changes to, the plan”.

I have worked on a number of my amendments with Community Land Scotland, which has noted to me that one example of where engagement would be essential is where tenant farmers are required to produce whole-farm plans as a condition of receiving support payments, because, in theory, those plans could conflict with a landlord’s land management plan. Clearly, if land management plans are to be strategic—and, of course, they should be—it can be anticipated that landowners would engage meaningfully with all who have rights associated with the land. Amendment 20 ensures that that must happen.

My amendment 33 would allow the land and communities commissioner to

“publish guidance on how owners are to comply with requirements mentioned in section 44B(3)”,

which sets out the information that a land management plan must contain. Such guidance would give landowners more clarity or certainty—which they deserve—on how the requirements are to be met. I have lodged amendment 33 because it complements my amendment 30 on the monitoring of land management plans; that will be considered later, in group 7.

I ask all members and the Government to give consideration to all my amendments in this group.

I will limit myself to speaking to the amendments in my name.

Amendments 16 and 17 together ensure that land management plans are not only available, as is already specified in the bill, but accessible. To that end, amendment 17 would require the plans to be published

“online by a public body to be specified in the regulations by the Scottish Ministers”,

that is, the regulations that ministers could make under new section 44A of the 2016 act, as inserted by section 1 of the bill.

My view is that all land management plans should be accessible—that is very different from them simply being available—and hosted by a public body in one place online, irrespective of which land management plan, from anywhere in the country, an individual wishes to find. A plan should not be like a needle in a haystack but should be signposted clearly and be searchable online.

I have not specified which public body should be given responsibility for publishing the plans online, because I assume that the Scottish Government would wish to discuss that responsibility with a public body that it considers could offer an appropriate online host site for all land management plans. It might make sense for that public body to be the Scottish Land Commission; however, although the amendment is clear on the need for land management plans to be accessible on an online platform, it does not prescribe the host.

I note that there is an associated amendment to section 31 in group 7, which we will come on to later today or another day.

I have listened carefully to what Rhoda Grant has said about 10 years being a good period for land management plans. Does the member believe that land management plans should be monitored on an on-going basis? Should the way that that monitoring is to take place be specified in the plan itself? If we get five years into a land management plan and the landowner has not sought to work out whether they are achieving the aims and objectives set out in their plan, that would be an issue, whether it comes after three, five, seven or 10 years. Would Rhoda Grant agree that, however long land management plans last for, there must be built-in monitoring as a matter of course?

Will the member take an intervention?

That was helpful. The committee will continue to scrutinise the Scottish Government and push it to go further and faster on child poverty, despite the fact that, relative to the rest of the UK, we are doing very well. That begs the question of which factors are within the Scottish Government’s control to turn the dial on child poverty and which are not. To what extent are trends in child poverty under the Scottish Government’s direct control? In what way could the shared space in social security blow targets off course?

The committee is trying to have a positive relationship with the UK Government in relation to influencing its child poverty strategy. We will see how that goes. Does the Scottish Government have any on-going dialogue on that?

This will be my final question, because I know that colleagues want to come in. One of the biggest challenges for the Scottish Government has been turning the dial on children and families who are living in persistent poverty. A new delivery plan is being prepared. Will persistent poverty be a focus for the Scottish Government?

Thank you.

Convener, I will have to leave the session early, so I apologise to the committee and the cabinet secretary for that. Thank you for allowing me to ask the opening questions.

Cabinet secretary, there were a lot of positives in your statement, but I sense a lot of frustration, too, because you wish that the Scottish Government could go further. I will come to that in a second. On the evidence base for what is working in Scotland, I note that in 2023, the estimated child poverty rates after housing costs were 22 per cent in Scotland and 32 per cent in England, so something is working in Scotland. Have you disaggregated whether that is due to the Scottish child payment, the best start grant, childcare provision or a variety of other measures? If the committee wanted to scrutinise the different policy levers that are having a positive impact, how could the Scottish Government provide that information?