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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 August 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 28 September 2023

Bob Doris

I am sorry for being so pernickety, but does the intention to fund, subject to final approval, tell an organisation how much it will get if the final approval is given? Does it have a budget line? That is the key thing in relation to the scrutiny. I am not trying to be awkward; I am trying to be clear.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 28 September 2023

Bob Doris

I will ask the shorter question that I have, rather than the longer one.

Mr Bradley, in relation to the Verity house agreement, you said that you thought that, in 2010, there was a fund that the third sector was involved in. My memory of that is that it was the change fund for older people, which ran for four years and was worth 拢300 million. The key aspect of that was that decisions around directing that cash had to be signed off by the NHS, local authorities and the third sector.

In the light of the Verity house agreement鈥檚 implications in terms of the reduction in ring fencing, do you have any comments about what the role of the third sector should be as a consequence of that, given that, for four years from 2010, there was a funding relationship that involved a sign-off by the third sector?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 28 September 2023

Bob Doris

We could be talking about different funds. I thought that that might be the one you were referring to.

Do I have time for another supplementary question, convener?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 28 September 2023

Bob Doris

Thank you.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 28 September 2023

Bob Doris

Good morning, Paul and Alison. I should say thank you to Alison and Saheliya, which has a wonderful facility in my constituency of Maryhill and Springburn, for the great work that you do there.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 28 September 2023

Bob Doris

Ms Davis, I feel guilty for stopping you, because what you said is very important for the committee to hear, but I need to direct us back to budget scrutiny. That was all very powerful, though, and the committee will consider it, so thank you for it.

We are doing budget scrutiny, and both witnesses have made clear the challenges, the financial pressures on the ground and the lack of certainty about financial support. The Scottish Government has some budget decisions to make. How do the witnesses believe that it should prioritise funds? Should it generate those funds or should it reprioritise funding from one stream to another?

I do not expect a hugely detailed answer, unless the witnesses wish to give one. Can you say in general terms whether the Government needs to increase the amount of money that is taken in by raising additional revenue or whether it should prioritise one area at the expense of another? How should we realign the budget to deal with the cost pressures that are affecting the voluntary sector and your clients?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 28 September 2023

Bob Doris

Sorry, Mr Balfour, but it would be helpful if Mr Bradley answered.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 28 September 2023

Bob Doris

Funds are not unallocated if there is a pound sign beside them and they are notionally allocated to an organisation鈥攚e cannot move that money around.

I will bring in Ms Davis, and then I guess that that is my last opportunity.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 28 September 2023

Bob Doris

Thank you.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 28 September 2023

Bob Doris

The Scottish child payment was mentioned, along with the idea of direct payments. This year, that will cost 拢405 million. If that were to increase to 拢40 from 拢25, which is what some campaigners are asking for鈥擨 have sympathy with that call, but it has to be paid for鈥攖hat would represent an additional 拢250 million, which would mean that there would be less money to spend on organisations such as Saheliya that are at the coalface, dealing directly with the most excluded and marginalised. Is there a balance to be struck between putting direct payments into the pockets of families that are very much in need and providing funding for those small organisations that provide support at the coalface? We cannot spend the same pound twice. Alison, do you want to respond first?