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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Bob Doris

I knew that, but let us not codify in a way that is not accessible to the general public. That is really important.

We have had some reassurances that the small vessel replacement programme will be more stable, there will be fewer risks, and there is already more certainty about delivery compared with that for the two complex vehicles. Mr Ruskell established that in exchanges very well. There was a bid for £23 million or so of capital money to upgrade the yard in order to make it more competitive for bidding for anything commercial, including the seven vessels that may come from the Scottish Government. Mr Miller talked about the initial bid being clunky. Can we not speak in euphemisms? What do you mean by clunky? Apologies—you said “chunky”. The bid was too high, was it not?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Bob Doris

Okay. I know that you have to answer this question in a roundabout way, but for every £1 of capital investment the public purse gives Ferguson, does that take £1 off the cost to the taxpayer of delivering the small vessels in the first place? That is what we want to know. If you are saying that we could deliver them more efficiently, I hope that that means more speedily, to a higher standard and cheaper. For every £1 of capital investment that the Government gives to Ferguson, does that shave £1 or more off the overall cost?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Bob Doris

Without giving how much you could shave off the tender that Ferguson could make for the small vessels fleet, can you give an idea of the relationship between capital investment from the Scottish Government and cost savings on any future procurement?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Bob Doris

Technically, you have surpassed the seating requirements of your client. That is what I am trying to get at.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Bob Doris

I do not think that this is contentious at all. I just want clarity. I assume that you want to curtail my line of questioning, which is quite a mundane line of questioning actually. I just want clarity. Thank you.

Let us get that clarity now. Did the original document say 127 cars and 16 lorries all at the same time? If you are right, convener, I am happy to apologise, but I just wanted clarity on that. I was not saying that you were wrong.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Bob Doris

Convener, let me apologise to you if I was a little bit prickly in our exchange there. I was not trying to undermine your questioning; I genuinely wanted to get clarity to better understand it. If I have done that, my apologies to you, convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Bob Doris

In my head, £23 million or whatever at today’s prices, invested now, would do everything that you wanted the yard to do, but it could be phased in over a longer period of time and there would be different degrees of efficiencies.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Bob Doris

I hope that someone can give light and shade to the answer to that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Bob Doris

Okay. In the exchange with the convener about what was in the tender for the two ferries that will shortly be completed, the convener made the point that we are paying more and getting less. I want some clarity around that.

David, you said that the tender was for up to 1,000 seats but that it did not have to be 1,000 seats. Can you confirm what was in the original tender document? Also, if I can roll all this together, you said that the number of seats was reduced to 926 because of other work that had to be done on fire safety, evacuation and different things, but your client requested 852 seats. I just want to be clear that the client is still getting the seating capacity that it requires and that, technically, there is some flexibility to add a small amount of additional seating if need be. Have I captured that correctly?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Bob Doris

I am not pushing anything. I am happy to be told I am wrong.