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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Financial Considerations When Leaving an Abusive Relationship

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Bob Doris

Good morning, everyone. I will come first to Dr Glinski with a specific question, but I flag up to the other witnesses that, in a moment, I will ask about how the benefits and entitlement systems in the United Kingdom and in Scotland could work more effectively, what they do well and what they could improve on. That is not the first question; I just want to set the context so that you can get your answers ready.

Dr Glinski, I want to ask you specifically about the fund to leave pilot, which ran from October 2023 until March last year. It was a £500,000 fund that provided up to £1,000 for each victim/survivor who took the plunge—it is a major decision—and left home. If the fund were to be introduced more widely, what changes would you make to it? What worked well in the pilot? The committee would find it helpful to get that on the record, and then we can look at the ways in which other systems can provide financial support. Could you comment on that, please?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Financial Considerations When Leaving an Abusive Relationship

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Bob Doris

If a woman is seriously considering leaving an economically abusive relationship, they need to make sure that they are clear about their entitlements, and they need to be able to make a claim independently of the abusive individual, and to do so privately. There needs to be expertise, and there should not be a five-week wait to get access to cash. I am thinking about what an ethical and appropriate system would be. It could be totally different from what I have described, but, as the committee will have to make recommendations at some point, what do you think that an appropriate system would look like?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Financial Considerations When Leaving an Abusive Relationship

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Bob Doris

It is very helpful that you have put that on the record.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Financial Considerations When Leaving an Abusive Relationship

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Bob Doris

That is helpful.

Moving on, I want to look specifically at the UK and Scottish benefits systems; perhaps we could deal with them a wee bit separately.

I do not want to put words in the witnesses’ mouths, but as well as looking at the way in which the UK system works, can you tell us what you think works well? It would also be helpful to have any clear points that you think need to change to better support victim/survivors when they wish to leave economic abuse?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Financial Considerations When Leaving an Abusive Relationship

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Bob Doris

Lyndsay, would you like to add anything to that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Financial Considerations When Leaving an Abusive Relationship

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Bob Doris

Thank you for those specific examples—they are helpful.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Financial Considerations When Leaving an Abusive Relationship

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Bob Doris

Thank you both. That was very helpful.

I have no further questions, convener.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Financial Considerations When Leaving an Abusive Relationship

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Bob Doris

I am hearing voices saying that they support rolling the fund out nationally, reviewing the payment levels and ensuring that there is consistency and appropriate levels of awareness and signposting, but I am not hearing calls to fundamentally change the fund as it existed in the pilot.

Do you want to add anything on that, Stuart?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Financial Considerations When Leaving an Abusive Relationship

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Bob Doris

I turn to Lyndsay Clelland. Do you have any suggestions for how we can improve the system in relation to Social Security Scotland or our local authorities?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Financial Considerations When Leaving an Abusive Relationship

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Bob Doris

For clarity, I agree with you, but I am thinking about the art of the achievable with regard to the recommendations that the committee may make.

I turn to the other witnesses. It is fine if you want to add anything about the UK system, but I want to ask you about the Scottish system. What improvements need to be made? I am thinking in particular about crisis grants and community care grants. Although there is no specific directive, by and large someone will have to demonstrate that they are without an income or are on a low income before they can access those grants. Of course, someone who is in an economically abusive relationship cannot always provide evidence for that, or they may not even be aware that they are in that situation. Changing the criteria for the Scottish welfare fund may be one way of improving the system in Scotland.

What works well, and what could be improved in relation to Social Security Scotland or our local authorities?