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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Zero Waste Scotland

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Bob Doris

My apologies, Mark. I did not mean to cut across you.

I find a lot of this quite abstract, to be honest. I have a concrete example—no pun intended—on construction, to make it real for me and my constituents. Four high-rise tower blocks on the Wyndford estate in my constituency were demolished. The break-up will be on site and almost all the demolished material will be used to build up to 400 affordable homes. Is that routine? Is that normal practice or do we have to do more of it, so that demolition and construction are linked? Quite often, where there is demolition, there is regeneration. Is that part of a circular economy, net zero approach to construction? I just want to make it real, convener, because otherwise, it is all very abstract to me.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Zero Waste Scotland

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Bob Doris

So, that does not happen now, but it is where we have to get to.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Zero Waste Scotland

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Bob Doris

I will ask the question another way. It is fortunate that the new properties are being built and that the contractors are taking the reuse approach. If that had been a demolition-only job, is there a reuse hub in Glasgow that the material could have gone to? What would have happened?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Zero Waste Scotland

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Bob Doris

I want to ask about the ban on sending biodegradable municipal waste to landfill that is coming in this December. We are on track, apparently, to be ready for that, and I see from the committee paper that Zero Waste Scotland has commissioned a study on preparedness for it. I acknowledge there is also on-going consultation about biodegradable non-municipal waste. There is a lot of change in this area.

Do you have any comments on preparedness for the ban? I ask that you refer in particular to whether there are implications for the incineration of waste or for waste export. What are the intended and unintended consequences? Where are we on meeting the December target? Is that one for you to comment on, Jane?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Zero Waste Scotland

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Bob Doris

I can only refer to the committee paper, Iain, because I am not an expert on this. I am asking about the ban on sending biodegradable municipal waste to landfill by December. I am sure that that would be residual waste. If you have textiles and wood that has been put into a mainstream pathway for reuse and recycling and all that kind of thing that is not residual waste.

I am guessing, and the committee paper does do not say whether that refers to residual waste. The paper refers to biodegradable municipal waste that local authorities will be banned from putting to landfill by December.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Zero Waste Scotland

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Bob Doris

I come back to waste exports. Incineration is an appropriate pathway, but we should not be overreliant on it. Jane Beasley mentioned other potential solutions. What happens to waste when it is exported under licence? Are we just offshoring some of our responsibilities, or is the waste dealt with appropriately once it leaves Scotland? Obviously, there is a carbon cost to exporting it in the first place.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Zero Waste Scotland

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Bob Doris

I do not think that I mentioned in my initial question that the waste is not going to landfill, but you have answered appropriately. Biodegradable municipal waste will still exist—the challenge is finding pathways for it other than landfill.

I will come back to the issue of waste exports. Before doing so, I will ask about the incineration of waste. The committee paper says that the production of energy from waste will be over capacity in the years ahead. The committee paper says that the Scottish Government policy is that incineration

“should be thought of as a transitional technology that helps Scotland bridge the gap from mass landfill to a low waste, low carbon, more circular economy.â€

Do you think that incineration is a reasonable pathway? Might we become overreliant on that at the expense of other pathways? It would be helpful if you could tell us what those other pathways might look like.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Zero Waste Scotland

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Bob Doris

Okay, and you are leading on that for the Scottish Government.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Zero Waste Scotland

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Bob Doris

Thank you.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Financial Considerations When Leaving an Abusive Relationship

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Bob Doris

I am sure that they will do. Your points are well made. I do not want to get into the weeds of whether universal credit claimants should have a five-week wait in the first place—that is a highly politicised line. However, the fact that someone who is fleeing domestic and economic abuse should be immediately indebted, having struggled to make a claim while still in the abusive household, is a significant issue.

Dr Glinski, would you suggest that there should be a specific point of contact in universal credit or the Department for Work and Pensions whereby a woman—it is invariably a woman—who is seeking to flee an abusive relationship can have a private and confidential claims pathway for universal credit that would not involve a five-week wait so that they can get their ducks in a row before they leave the abusive household? I do not want to put words in your mouth, but the committee needs to identify conclusions as well as looking at the issues. Does that seem reasonable?