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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 May 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Fiscal sustainability and public reform in Scotland”

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

I will read out the final sentence of paragraph 72 for the Official Report:

“The key governance forums for the PSR programme did not regularly discuss the progress of individual workstreams and it was not a standing item on their agendas. This was a gap in the scrutiny and governance of the programme.”

Do you recognise that?

Public Audit Committee

“Fiscal sustainability and public reform in Scotland”

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Paragraph 71 says that the public service reform strategy and governance unit is made up of 5.8 full-time equivalent civil servants. Is that enough people to undertake that important role?

Public Audit Committee

“Fiscal sustainability and public reform in Scotland”

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

I genuinely recognise that your position is top level and that you deal with overarching strategic activities. I also genuinely do not know the answer to this question. In the civil service, is there an in-built process that allows the people who are doing the day-to-day jobs across the whole public sector to input suggestions, which can then be discussed?

Going back to Jamie Greene’s comments about areas in which there has been public investment, quite frankly, I think that there are examples where, if folk on the ground had been listened to, some of the problems and additional cost would not have happened.

Public Audit Committee

“Fiscal sustainability and public reform in Scotland”

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Paragraphs 75 and 77 touch on what we just spoke about. Paragraph 75 says:

“the Scottish Government has not allocated or identified funding to support portfolios or public bodies to cover the costs of delivering reform.”

Paragraph 77 says:

“the Scottish Government has said that it does not want to implement a top-down approach to reforming public services but instead wants to agree a vision of reform across the public sector.”

Those two sentences stick out—first, because of what the Government wants to do and, secondly, because the finance is not there, notwithstanding the £30 million that was touched on.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Instrument subject to Affirmative Procedure

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Welcome to the eighth meeting in 2025 of the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee. We have received apologies from our deputy convener, Bill Kidd, and from Katy Clark. I remind everyone to switch off, or put to silent, mobile phones and other electronic devices.

Under agenda item 1, the committee is considering one instrument, on which no points have been raised.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Instruments subject to Negative Procedure

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Is the committee content with the instruments?

Members indicated agreement.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Instruments not subject to Parliamentary Procedure

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Thank you. The next meeting of the committee will take place on Tuesday 11 March.

Meeting closed at 10:01.  

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Instrument subject to Affirmative Procedure

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Does the committee wish to note that the Scottish Government has indicated that it will consider lodging an amendment to the Education (Scotland) Bill, to avoid overlap between the provision in this instrument and a provision in the bill, which both seek to add a new paragraph 32AAA into schedule 2 of the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman Act 2002?

Members indicated agreement.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Instruments subject to Negative Procedure

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Under agenda item 2, we are considering seven instruments, on which no points have been raised.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Instruments not subject to Parliamentary Procedure

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Under agenda item 3, we are considering two instruments, on which no points have been raised.