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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 December 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Thank you. That is all from me just now.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

So, even though there is a perceived concern, you have no concerns whatsoever that the approach makes it less safe?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

I have another quick question—

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

That was helpful.

Clearly, this is a novel process, although it is not without precedent. I do not particularly like the terminology, but it is an example of the Henry VIII powers stuff that we have previously debated more widely. I, too, have not been a member of the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee, but I have had the pleasure of appearing before it, and have discussed many of these issues.

Notwithstanding the fact that this might be a novel way of creating a delegated powers-making process, can you clarify that any changes that might be sought would still have to come back to Parliament, and that, if they were more substantive, they would be subject to the affirmative procedure; otherwise, they would be subject to the negative procedure, under which the instrument in question could still be annulled? Will Parliament be able to accept or reject any changes in the usual way?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

I understand and appreciate that, but the bottom line is that nothing is being done here that will create a new process whereby the Government can just put in place a rule without any recourse to Parliament. Parliament will still have the ultimate say.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

I am not referring to a study. I am talking about our practical engagement with those involved in the selling of sex. At the very least, there is a perception that the bill would make the environment less safe. Do you think that that belief is held genuinely and sincerely?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Nonetheless, that perception exists, so what are you doing to try to ensure that that perception is minimised, to take care of those concerns as you take forward the bill?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Thank you, convener. I will stick with the theme, because our primary concern is the safety of women and girls who are involved in the selling of sex.

Ash Regan, you have obviously set out the principle and the conceptual nature of the purchase of sex as an act of violence against women and girls. I am the father of a daughter, and I understand that point, but what we are doing here is assessing the bill that we have before us and its practical impact. We have heard from a number of witnesses—and you have said that you have listened to every voice—who have said that the provisions of the bill would make the experience for women involved less safe. You have said very clearly that you do not think that that is the case. At a high level, do you think that that perception is wrong?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Did you say that it was a £400 million difference?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

We can broadly apply that across the justice portfolio.