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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 August 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Planning for Skills”

Meeting date: 10 March 2022

Colin Beattie

To learn lessons, we have to understand what went wrong. Here we have failure in leadership and, it would appear, a failure of the sponsor teams to properly engage and raise the issues that were quite clearly there. I am surprised that we do not have that information—that such an investigation has not taken place. Without it, how do we learn the lessons?

Public Audit Committee

“Planning for Skills”

Meeting date: 10 March 2022

Colin Beattie

I mean feedback to the Scottish Government. The report says that

“the Scottish Government lacked clear oversight” .

I would have expected there to have been feedback to the Scottish Government from at least two sources, one being overall management and the other being the sponsor teams.

Public Audit Committee

“Planning for Skills”

Meeting date: 10 March 2022

Colin Beattie

Given that the letters are due fairly soon, perhaps it might be possible to share them with the committee. It would be useful for us to see them.

Public Audit Committee

“Planning for Skills”

Meeting date: 10 March 2022

Colin Beattie

There has been a history, which has been over an extended period, of a divergence in views—I will not call it a “clash of cultures”—as to the future line of march. How has that been overcome? Why is it different now? Have people changed? Have heads been knocked together? How has that been resolved?

Public Audit Committee

“Social care briefing”

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Colin Beattie

Who needs to knock heads together to make that happen?

Public Audit Committee

“Social care briefing”

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Colin Beattie

I am very conscious that, as the Auditor General mentioned, the issue of local collaboration has been raised several times in Audit Scotland reports during my 11 years on this committee, yet nothing seems to progress. You say that some places are better than others, but all places should have a level of collaboration that achieves the outcomes that the Government and everyone else is seeking. What has to happen?

It cannot go on that Audit Scotland churns out reports saying that there is a lack of collaboration locally that is impairing progress. I say that it cannot go on like that, but it has done. How do we break that?

Public Audit Committee

“Social care briefing”

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Colin Beattie

Is it about money? Are people simply job-hopping for more money?

Public Audit Committee

“Social care briefing”

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Colin Beattie

As part of the process of formulating a national care service and getting it in place, we really need good data behind it to ensure that it will be effective. Is that correct?

Public Audit Committee

“Social care briefing”

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Colin Beattie

Auditor General, this is not the first time that we have seen adverse comments about leadership in your reports. Leadership is mentioned in paragraph 20 of the briefing. You call for “stable and collaborative leadership”. That sounds like a fairly basic thing that we would expect to be in place.

You mention that councils and integration authorities are experiencing

“high turnover of senior staff”.

In the past, you have said that the situation is the same in the NHS. Why is there such a high turnover of senior staff across the public sector? Until a few years ago, generally speaking, that was not the case, so what has triggered the change?

Public Audit Committee

“Social care briefing”

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Colin Beattie

I have one more thing to add before Antony Clark comes in.

I can understand there being an issue with stability if there is churn in the senior staff, which can create a vacuum until the person who moves in has got up to speed and got to grips with the job. What I do not understand is the lack of collaboration. Collaboration should be fundamental and embedded, regardless of stability. Why does that collaboration not exist?