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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 August 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Scottish Environment Protection Agencyâ€

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Colin Beattie

I have one final question. I believe that you have established a figure of £17.9 million as the potential worst-case scenario for costs. Are you able to firm up on the cost to date and give a projection of the cost of the recovery and your responses?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2021â€

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Colin Beattie

Part of my next question was going to be about how the brand-new national leadership development programme workstream that has been put in place fits in with and complements Project Lift, and whether there is a risk of duplication in connection with succession planning in the NHS in particular. However, from what you are saying, you do not really have any answer to that at this point.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2021â€

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Colin Beattie

It is important to know how we are handling leadership succession and so on, because good leadership is essential for the NHS.

Auditor General, I want to return to what you were saying about Covid. The virus is still with us, and it is still overwhelming some hospitals and taking up a huge amount of NHS time. How practical is it to bring in these programmes and try to make them work in the middle of what is still a crisis? Are we just asking too much? Should we put some programmes, such as the leadership initiatives, on hold until things are more stable?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2021â€

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Colin Beattie

Clearly, leadership will be key to managing our way through all that.

I will move on to another of our favourite areas: data, which seems to come up at every other meeting. In today’s context, I am interested in the collection of data on health and social care. It is acknowledged that there is poor data sharing and there are difficulties in accessing health records and so forth. To what timescale are the Scottish Government and COSLA working on the development of a data strategy for health and social care?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2021â€

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Colin Beattie

The obvious question is about the extent to which the strategy will improve the collection and sharing of health and social care data. I know that that is a bit of speculation at this point but, as the Auditor General mentioned, there are clear gaps. Are we satisfied that the strategy will cover all that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2021â€

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Colin Beattie

I would like to cover a couple of areas, neither of which will necessarily come as much of a surprise. The first is leadership. The quality of leadership in the public sector has been discussed and debated in the committee for many years. It is vital that the right people are in the right place. An initiative that has been put in place is the Project Lift leadership development programme. What has the impact of that been on the development and retention of leadership in the NHS?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2021â€

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Colin Beattie

An optimistic auditor? Hmm.

Does Audit Scotland have any input into the process? Historically, you have produced reports and given recommendations, but are they being taken into account? The issue of the implementation of recommendations has come before the committee many times.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Scottish Environment Protection Agencyâ€

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Colin Beattie

[Inaudible.]—correctly. Obviously, there are costs. That is mitigated to a certain extent by SEPA accelerating the delivery of its digital strategy. I presume that that is within your budget in any case. I am not putting words in your mouth, but the impact on your budget should therefore be much less financially.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Scottish Environment Protection Agencyâ€

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Colin Beattie

Clearly there is still some distance to go with recovering data and so on. Do we have any feel for how much data has still to be recovered? How many systems need to be re-established or developed as a workaround?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Scottish Environment Protection Agencyâ€

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Colin Beattie

None of the data has been decrypted. Do we have resources that are capable of doing that, or is it simply too difficult?