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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 August 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 16 November 2023

Colin Beattie

On the back of what Anne Rowan is saying, it is worth highlighting from the report that there is huge variability in primary care and mental health services, third sector services and peer support across Scotland. I do not know to what extent that arises from greater or lesser knowledge and awareness of the different forms of support that exist, but I would be interested to hear any comments on that and to hear about anything that could be done better. How do we join things up? Anne Rowan has highlighted the point that not everything is joined up. How do we fix that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 16 November 2023

Colin Beattie

I want to look at some aspects of access to support. I will start with GPs, so I will put Chris Williams on the rack first. In my experience as an MSP, we get people coming in who have mental health issues, to a greater or lesser extent. Usually, we pass the information back to their GP surgery, and we get zero feedback, for confidentiality reasons. Often, the same person is back a month later, still with the same problem, and we never know what has happened.

Although we do not hear in the majority of cases, anecdotally, we hear that, as long as the person is not a danger to others, the surgery is not fussed. However, someone who has a belief that they are under surveillance by the police or MI5 or whatever may be very distressed, because they truly believe that. It seems that nothing is being done in that respect.

I am asking about the role of GPs. What support do you need to better support the mental health needs of patients? Where is the break there?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 16 November 2023

Colin Beattie

I will come back on one or two of those points. Between primary healthcare and moving into secondary care, who does the triage? How does it work? Who decides on the priority for a particular case?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Colin Beattie

I would like to touch on one or two issues around skills and expand a little bit on what has been discussed so far. There has always been an assumption that the transition from the energy sector into the renewables sector will be smooth, and yet evidence that we have taken in this committee previously indicates that that is not happening at the pace that was anticipated. It leads us, then, to other industries and other sectors needing to develop skills such as, for example, the construction industry for retrofitting the built environment.

The Construction Industry Training Board estimates that to meet net zero targets, an additional 4,600 project managers, as well as 4,300 plumbers and heating, ventilation and air conditioning workers will be needed in Scotland by 2028. That is a lot of bodies. The other sectors in the industry are all showing huge deficits in the number of bodies that they can recruit versus the number that they need. Is the skills pipeline that has been set up to deliver those wider skills requirements across the different sectors working? Is it up to the quality that is needed? Where will the workers come from, given the acute shortage of workers, particularly skilled workers, across the economy? John Boland, perhaps I can ask you first.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Colin Beattie

You spoke about electricians there. One thing that has been at the back of my mind is how transferable to the renewables industry all the jobs that are available in the oil and gas sector are.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Colin Beattie

Emma Harrick, can I turn to you?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Colin Beattie

For those of you who were present during the previous witnesses’ evidence, I note that the questions that I asked I did not get definitive responses, so I am hoping that I will get better answers here. We have talked about the energy sector and the anticipation that people will transition from jobs in oil and gas to jobs in renewables, although in recent times certainly, according to the evidence that we have received, that has not been as quick and has not been at the volume that was expected.

On skills in other industries—for example, construction and retrofitting the built environment—research from the Construction Industry Training Board estimates that to meet net zero targets there is a need for 4,600 project managers, as well as 4,300 plumbers and heating, ventilation, and air conditioning workers by 2028, which is not long. We know from other evidence that 30,000 engineers are needed for maintenance of heat pumps and solar panels.

Does the skills pipeline that has been set up have the capacity to deliver the required volume in the timescales that people want? Secondly, do the required people exist—in other words, do they exist physically? There seem to be shortages in almost every sector, so how will we get the people? Are we going to buy them in from elsewhere, in which case we would have a price issue around scarcity? Perhaps Gordon McGuinness can come in.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Colin Beattie

Is there or is there not capacity within the pipeline, as it is?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Colin Beattie

The pipeline cannot be delivered without more money.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Colin Beattie

Almost every sector of industry is talking about a lack of resources and a lack of physical bodies.