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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 August 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 1 February 2024

Colin Beattie

I will move on to the final couple of questions. In paragraph 37, reference is made to the greater number of older prisoners in the system. At last week’s evidence session on NHS Forth Valley, comment was made about the ageing prison population and the increased pressure on the NHS as a result of that. What is the impact of a greater number of older prisoners? What level of support is required? There seems to be an implication that we should have a care facility in prisons. A number of reasons, such as sentencing and historical sex abuse cases, have been put forward to explain why the prison population is so much older. How is that impacting on the NHS and the SPS?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 1 February 2024

Colin Beattie

You said that the Prison Service is responsible for providing care. I presume that the prison officers have not been trained in that particular area. Do prisons bring in resources from outside—people who are qualified to provide that care?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 1 February 2024

Colin Beattie

There is a cost to the Prison Service in bringing in services. I am trying to understand the impact on prison officers and the Prison Service of providing that care. Are Prison Service resources used or are independent resources brought in? You seem to be saying that the latter happens only for the more extreme cases and that the Prison Service deals with the day-to-day stuff, for want of a better expression.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 1 February 2024

Colin Beattie

You mentioned prisoners who have dementia. I presume that, at some point, they reach a stage at which it is not even clear to them that they are in prison. Is there a process whereby such prisoners are transitioned into an existing care facility outside the Prison Service?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 1 February 2024

Colin Beattie

I am simply trying to understand whether the realities of the situation are looked at sensibly.

My final question is on the prison estate. Among the issues that have been reported on the condition of the prison estate are underspends in the capital budget and savings that have been made from reduced planned maintenance. Do you have any particular concerns about that? Those findings seem odd, given other comments that have been made about the estate.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 1 February 2024

Colin Beattie

I have one last question. Previously, reference has been made to reducing planned maintenance to make savings. That, of course, is really just pushing the problem into the future. Are you satisfied with the programme of maintenance that is in place for the prison estate?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 1 February 2024

Colin Beattie

Who has that option?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 1 February 2024

Colin Beattie

I believe that the contract actually ends in January 2027, and tendering is expected to start in 2024. That seems an awful long way in advance, but perhaps that is how long it takes. I presume that you have seen nothing yet on what the approach will be.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 1 February 2024

Colin Beattie

Yes.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 1 February 2024

Colin Beattie

That is available, but is the Prison Service actually going to avail itself of that facility?