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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 April 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Patrick Harvie

Is there an informal approach that seeks to achieve that, or is the process fundamentally unchanged?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Patrick Harvie

Thank you.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Patrick Harvie

I want to move on to another topic before we finish. Earlier in the second half of this inquiry, before we got deep into the youth mobility issues, we heard some evidence about energy issues. Could you reflect on that and, in particular, on the emissions trading scheme? It is an area where there is some co-decision-making, because the ETS is not wholly reserved—the Scottish Government is represented on an authority that makes some decisions.

We heard some evidence suggesting that, unless there is alignment between the UK ETS and the EU ETS, there will be an impact, from January next year, on businesses trading in and out of the EU. What is the Scottish Government’s position on that, and what is the status of that work? Also, is there a concern that, if a trade agreement was reached with a far-right US regime that promoted climate denial conspiracy theories, which would clearly not be likely to include a carbon price in products entering the UK market, there could be harmful impacts from that?

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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Patrick Harvie

I agree. I note that venues, festivals and events that do not have specific permission for visa-free travel might be looking to attract artists from a number of different countries. Each individual artist who comes from the EU might have only one issue to deal with in getting into the UK, but, in order for the event to be successful and a great contributor to the cultural landscape, it might have to try to support people from different countries in multiple ways.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Patrick Harvie

That is what you described as the moving target problem. Someone made a comment a few minutes ago that was relevant to that aspect, which was that the EU’s approach seems to be grounded in how AI is deployed in specific contexts, but that changes all the time. If we regulate for particular purposes, an AI system designed for one purpose may end up being trained for a completely different purpose and then used or reused for other purposes altogether, so even the EU’s approach to regulation is not hitting the mark. Is that fair?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Patrick Harvie

All right—thank you.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Patrick Harvie

That is why I wonder whether, instead of attempting to regulate the specific types of technology that can be used, we need to attempt to regulate human behaviour in relation to those technologies, and to regulate with a view to protecting people. I see nothing in the EU approach that frames the issue as being about how we protect people.

My last question will use an example from today’s news headlines about the requirement for new laws on planning a mass casualty attack. Professor Basiri, you talked about Instagram posts. Instagram is not legally responsible for the posts of its users. If AI continues to accelerate and we have something closer to true artificial general intelligence, who would be committing the crime if an AI agent had done the planning for such an attack? The Prime Minister has said that people should not spend their time doing things that AI can do better, but once that encompasses everything, where is the protection for people’s roles in all this? Do we need to reframe the challenge of regulation as being about protecting the human intelligence?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Patrick Harvie

Which countries are you are referring to that take that alternative approach?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Patrick Harvie

Good morning. You have all given a pretty clear picture of the level of chaos, disruption and confusion that there is for people who want to tour across a range of different European countries. You have shown that that has been exacerbated partly by the economic circumstances and the cost of living, but the fundamental and avoidable change is a result of Brexit and the way in which the TCA works.

You have focused mostly on people from this country who want to tour in Europe, but it is fair to say that there are similar impacts on venues and cultural events here that want to have artists visit from other European countries. If that has an impact on those venues and festivals, especially the smaller ones, that will cause knock-on harm to the wider sector.

What do you think of the UK Government’s approach to addressing those issues? In its manifesto for last year’s election, Labour said that it wanted to

“work to improve the UK’s trade and investment relationship”

with Europe, and that helping touring artists would be part of that. Do you and the wider sector have clarity on what exactly the UK Government intends to achieve by way of repairing the damage that has been done?

To save a bit of time, I will ask my follow-up question now. Do you agree that the objective should be to restore as much flexibility, in relation to freedom of movement, as the EU will agree to? Should that be the UK Government’s goal? Whoever would like to answer that can do so.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Patrick Harvie

Thank you.