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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 10 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Patrick Harvie

Yes, and the appointment of the Office of Gas and Electricity Markets as the regulator is one example of that. We need to ensure that there is consumer protection, and the appointment of Ofgem in that capacity will help to achieve that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Patrick Harvie

That question is relevant to the whole heat in buildings agenda. We know that we need to scale up and skill up. I have been working closely with Graeme Dey on the skills and education side of things. Work on the supply chain delivery plan is also including voices from industry who see the agenda as an opportunity.

I genuinely think that there is huge potential for us to see the heat in buildings agenda as an economic opportunity for Scotland. There is work to be had in decarbonising, and high-quality careers to be had from doing that work, not just between now and 2045 but beyond that, in maintaining and operating those systems.

James Hemphill wants to come in on your previous point.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Patrick Harvie

The act allows us to continue to review the target. I think that it is at least a fair possibility that we will review the target upwards rather than downwards but, if a future Government decides that heat networks have not been the success that I believe that they will be, it would be for it to come back to committee and Parliament and ask to review the target in the other direction. However, I think that there is a stronger likelihood that we will see greater progress. We should be throwing our weight behind the development of heat networks as one of the most effective ways to decarbonise Scotland.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Patrick Harvie

I would encourage the member and others in the committee, if they have not yet taken the chance, to visit some of the heat networks that are already in operation, including some that are being expanded or redeveloped.

In essence, the networks are made up of highly insulated pipes that go under the ground and come from a central heat source. They might involve the deliberate generation of heat for the network, or they might use a waste heat source. At the moment, we are letting valuable warmth from some waste heat sources go to waste, and heat networks can bring that heat to the consumer.

With heat networks, individual businesses or households would not need to have their own boilers, except, potentially, as an emergency back-up. They might choose to have something in reserve, but their main heating needs鈥攁nd, in some circumstances, cooling needs鈥攚ould be met via the network.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Patrick Harvie

That is correct. That is what generates a revenue stream for the network, which is what makes it an attractive proposition for investors. The experience with heat networks in this country鈥攁nd, I think, in Denmark, where they are used the most extensively of any European country鈥攊s that they tend to be affordable and attractive for that reason, compared with individual consumption of gas or other fuels.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Patrick Harvie

Heat networks are particularly viable and effective when they have a range of different heat consumers鈥攏ot all domestic but some commercial, some industrial, and large public buildings, for example鈥攁nd a range of heat sources. Some networks will have a heavy reliance on a single heat source or small number of heat sources. Existing networks will be under a duty to bring forward a plan to decarbonise if they have a polluting heat source.

However, over time, as we see the extensive development of heat networks, we are likely to see that viability become an incentive for any operator to diversify its heat sources. That might be by using banks of heat pumps. In the Glasgow area, it might be using the River Clyde as a heat source, as Queen鈥檚 Quay does. It could also include industrial sources of heat, such as waste heat and other options. The diversification of heat producers and heat consumers is one of the things that will make the networks more viable for the long term.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Patrick Harvie

We believe that it is.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Patrick Harvie

Sorry, I did not catch that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Patrick Harvie

It will come from a range of sources.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Patrick Harvie

A range of discussions have taken place not only with individual potential investors鈥攖he Scottish Government has an investor panel that advises it鈥攂ut through the green heat finance task force. As the committee knows, that has now been meeting for some significant time. Its first report will be due out very soon, alongside the imminent consultation on the heat in buildings proposals more generally. The expectation is that the first phase of that task force report will focus on individual approaches and that the second phase report will look at the more communal, area-based approaches, which might include greater focus on heat networks. A significant amount of work is happening in that area.