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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 July 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Jackson Carlaw

We will hear what NHS Tayside has to say, but we will do that on the presumption that, having heard what it has to say, we might very well seek to have the petitioner or others who have been affected by the condition give evidence to the committee, so that we have that on the record, with everyone able to see what the condition has led to and the difficulties that people have had in finding a way forward. Are colleagues content to proceed on that basis?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you very much. You came, you asked, you got.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Jackson Carlaw

There might come a point when, in order to advance the aims of the petition, we ask the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee to look at where the petition might go. I think that we should keep the petition open; in the first instance, write to the minister, as suggested; see what the response is; and then consider the best way forward in trying to secure the aims of the petition. Do we agree to that approach?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Jackson Carlaw

I do not think that we have ever held a joint session. The Scottish Parliament has provided its campus for the Scottish Youth Parliament to meet. The policy has been that that happens once in each session of the Scottish Parliament, I think. Are you suggesting that we write to the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body, to ask whether it would—?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Jackson Carlaw

I thank the petitioner very much for bringing the petition to our attention. The Government has promised action. We will have to see whether that action is forthcoming.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Jackson Carlaw

In closing the petition, we could make that suggestion, as Mr Ewing has recommended, together with Mr Torrance’s suggestions. Again, an important matter has been highlighted. Given that the Scottish Government has no plans to amend the legislation, this is probably the most effective route that we can recommend, and we will close the petition on that basis. Are we agreed?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Unless colleagues have any other comments or suggestions, are we content to proceed on that basis?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Jackson Carlaw

We will keep the petition open and seek further information as requested. I thank the petitioner for bringing the petition back to us, which is one of the routes that we, of course, offer to petitioners after due time and consideration.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Yes. My hesitation in opening up the discussion was because I was struck by a similar point: I do not want us to embark on a duplicatory chain of investigation. On the other hand, I am not clear that the investigation to date has worked in quite the way that the petitioner seeks.

I understand that we are likely to see the Criminal Justice Committee’s submission in November, which is next month. It might be right to ask the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service and the Fire Brigades Union to give their views to this committee on the aims of the petition. We can then take those into account when we next consider the petition, along with that submission, and decide whether there is further work that this committee could do in advancing the aims of the petition.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Jackson Carlaw

We will potentially get an indication of whether that has been incorporated into the evidence heard by the Criminal Justice Committee. When we next consider it, we will be in a better-informed position, if colleagues are content with that.

With that, we conclude our public session, and we now move into private session. Our next meeting will be on Wednesday 8 November.

10:23 Meeting continued in private until 10:45.