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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Welcome back to the committee’s second meeting in 2024. Our second evidence session is on PE1979, to establish an independent inquiry and an independent national whistleblowing officer to investigate concerns about the alleged mishandling of child safeguarding inquiries by public bodies.

The petition calls on the Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to launch an independent inquiry to examine concerns that allegations about child protection, child abuse, safeguarding and children’s rights have been mishandled by public bodies, including local authorities and the General Teaching Council Scotland, and that there are gaps in the Scottish child abuse inquiry, which we have discussed. The petition also calls for the establishment of an independent national whistleblowing officer for education and children’s services in Scotland to handle such inquiries in future.

The petition was lodged by Neil McLennan, Christine Scott, Alison Dickie and Bill Cook, three of whom are with us this morning.

We last considered the petition at our meeting on 4 October 2023. At that stage, we decided that we would like to hold a round-table discussion on the issues raised and to welcome the petitioners to join us, if they were available. Unfortunately, Christine Scott is unable to be with us today, but I welcome Brendan Barnett, who joins us in Christine’s place.

Neil McLennan is a former teacher who has written on the topic of safeguarding gaps. Alison Dickie is a teacher and former Edinburgh councillor. As vice convener of the council’s education, children and families committee, she raised the concerns of whistleblowers who came to her for support. Bill Cook is also a former Edinburgh councillor. The petitioners’ submission to the committee describes him as the political lead on the introduction of Edinburgh’s new whistleblower system in 2014.

Before we begin the discussion on the issues raised by the petition, I understand that, as participants, you have prepared brief statements and that you would like to share them with the committee today.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you, Mr McLennan. Your sound improved two-thirds of the way through but, concentrating hard, I was able to hear the early part, as well.

I thank you very much for your four statements, although I should say that they have taken up quite a bit of the time that we have available this morning. They have detailed some areas that we might wish to explore, which is now on the record for us to study.

Alison Dickie and Neil McLennan went through a series of concerns about identified mishandling of child safeguarding issues. Without giving details that might lead to identification of individuals, are there examples that you could illustrate more comprehensively without betraying any confidences?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Jackson Carlaw

That illustrates what Alison Dickie said about lack of direction.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Jackson Carlaw

I want to move on, because I am conscious of time.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Mr Ewing, I am conscious that we are into our last five or six minutes for this item.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you. We have packed a lot of information into this past hour, which I will want to have some time to reflect on when we get the Official Report. Some of the issues that have cropped up have maybe prompted thoughts of additional information that you might like to contribute to us, and we will be very happy to receive that in advance of our next consideration of the petition.

We have a fairly packed agenda this morning. I am sure that we could probably have packed more information into an extended discussion. I thank all four of you very much for taking the time to join us here in Parliament this morning. We will keep the petition open, and we will have an opportunity to reflect on the evidence that we have heard and to decide on next steps. We look forward to hearing from you further as appropriate.

I suspend briefly before we move to the next item.

11:32 Meeting suspended.  

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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Jackson Carlaw

That is the very obvious course of action, given that the publication of the review is imminent. Are members content to do that?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Are there any other suggestions? Are we content to proceed on that basis?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Jackson Carlaw

I just wonder whether, if we are already writing to COSLA, we are potentially accommodating that approach through that body.

Do members agree with the proposed course of action?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Yes. Mr Choudhury, do you agree?