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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 August 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Alasdair Allan

Section 12 of the bill, as it is envisaged, provides for the training of young dogs to follow an animal scent or an animal-based scent, but it does not envisage trail hunting per se taking place. Can either of the witnesses offer any observations about that? Do you feel that that distinction in the bill is adequate? How does it sit with your ethical point of view?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Alasdair Allan

Very briefly, Mr Orr-Ewing, do you see the motivation behind making a distinction between training a young dog and having an organised trail hunt?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Alasdair Allan

My question follows on from that and is about the aims of the bill. To a large extent, the bill has emerged from what Lord Bonomy had to say about the failures of the existing legislation, as he saw them. Do you identify with Lord Bonomy鈥檚 views? Can you say anything about whether the bill鈥檚 aims match the recommendations of Lord Bonomy鈥檚 review? Do you agree with what he had to say?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Alasdair Allan

You mention unintended consequences regarding the bill. I appreciate the concern that you raise, but a number of witnesses have indicated that unintended consequences may be associated with the current law in this area. One of you鈥攑erhaps Penny Middleton or Ian Duncan Millar鈥攎ight want to say something about the unintended consequences that may currently exist around hare coursing. I know that some of you have different views on the extent to which that is happening, but could it be described as an unintended consequence of the current law?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Alasdair Allan

Does the bill not provide for the training of dogs for those very reasons?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Alasdair Allan

I do not know whether anyone else wants in on that point.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Alasdair Allan

My understanding is that the bill allows for that activity. Maybe we can talk about that with the next panel, too.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Alasdair Allan

So, the people who practise agriculture on your land have never felt the need to dispatch a wild mammal other than by shooting.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Alasdair Allan

I want to pick up on the points that have been made about rabbits. Last week, when we had people in from the Government who drafted the bill, a number of us pressed them on the subject. As far as I understand what was said then, the bill鈥檚 intention is very much about鈥攁s others have alluded to today鈥攑reventing the chase, if you like, and killing by a dog, rather than preventing the killing of rabbits. Perhaps Penny Middleton can answer this question. Notwithstanding your concerns, do you accept that that intention is in the bill?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Alasdair Allan

Some of the concerns that exist around rabbits are about pest control. That is a legitimate concern. Many of us who live in the country will appreciate that rabbits can be a pest. However, it has been put to us that the intention behind that part of the bill is not to prevent the killing of rabbits; it is simply about the method. Do you recognise that that is what the bill is intended to do?