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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 June 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Economic Activity of Public Bodies (Overseas Matters) Bill

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Claire Baker

Agenda item 4 is consideration of a legislative consent memorandum on the UK Government’s Economic Activity of Public Bodies (Overseas Matters) Bill. The stated aims of the bill are to ensure a consistent foreign policy across the UK by preventing public bodies from indicating political or moral disapproval of a foreign state when making decisions about procurement and investment.

I welcome from the Scottish Government, Tom Arthur, Minister for Community Wealth and Public Finance, who is joined by Russell Bain, deputy director in international futures and brand Scotland policy; Alasdair Hamilton, who is a procurement policy portfolio manager; and Robert McConnell, who is a lawyer. I invite the minister to make a brief statement to the committee, and I will then invite members’ questions.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Claire Baker

The committee is also invited to note the Public Procurement (Agreement on Government Procurement) (Thresholds) (Miscellaneous Amendments) (Scotland) Regulations 2023. Again, are members content to note the instrument?

Members indicated agreement.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Claire Baker

Okay. Thank you. I will now bring in Maggie Chapman.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Claire Baker

Jordan Jack, we have talked about the current focus of the just transition fund. Do you think that the fund’s focus is correct?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Claire Baker

This is connected to Brian Whittle’s question. The just transition fund is a 10-year fund, and we are at the end of its second year. You have both—Jordan Jack, in particular—described an inclusive and integrated network transport system that would support modal shift and that would be available to everybody and be accessible. You would think that that would be one of the underpinning reasons for just transition. Do you feel that those conversations are taking place enough in the north-east and Moray? Mike Duncan, you said that it still feels as though it is about Aberdeen and about oil and gas. Do you think that the broader discussion is taking place? Who should lead on that and drive it forward?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Claire Baker

You can ask one more question.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Claire Baker

I welcome our second panel of witnesses. We are joined by Fergus Mutch, policy adviser at the Aberdeen and Grampian Chamber of Commerce, who is attending virtually; Mark Munro, chief investment officer at the Scottish National Investment Bank; and Ronan O’Hara, chief executive of Crown Estate Scotland. Welcome to the meeting. If members and witnesses can keep their questions and answers as concise as possible, that would be helpful.

I will come to Fergus Mutch first. I do not know whether you heard the session with the first panel, but we are interested in a definition of a just transition, whether there is a shared understanding of what it means, whether everybody is working towards the same goal in the north-east and Moray and how we will know whether we have achieved it. What is your perspective and that of your members on that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Claire Baker

Ronan O’Hara, I will come to you with the same question. What is your understanding of a just transition? Is it shared, and how will we know whether we have achieved it?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Claire Baker

Mike Duncan said that there is a feeling among his members that it is something that is happening in Aberdeen and it is about the oil and gas sector. Is that a challenge for you in trying to link the campaign to the broader activity that needs to happen to deliver a just transition?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Claire Baker

I will now go to Jordan Jack, who is here representing the Campaign for North East Rail. You could argue that that campaign is focused on delivering a just transition. Do you think that there is a shared understanding of what a just transition means for the area? How will we know whether we have achieved it?