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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 August 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Claire Baker

If Murdo Fraser does not mind, I will bring in Colin Smyth first, as the funding issue has been raised.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Claire Baker

Before Alan comes in, I should say that two other members wish to ask questions. We have had our witnesses here for an hour and a half. You are welcome to give evidence for a bit longer, but we do have to make progress. If your answers could be brief, that would be helpful.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Claire Baker

Thank you. I come now to Charlie McMillan, who is chief executive of the Scottish Commission for People with Learning Disabilities. You provided us with the 2018 report by the employment task force. I put the same question to you as I put to the others, only with a bit more focus on what the barriers are and whether the Government has the right policy levers. Our two speakers so far have helpfully talked about what business needs to do to change, but what policy measures has the Government introduced, and what things are lacking that would enable better progress to be made?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Claire Baker

Joanna, do you share the view that, if we are to meet the 2038 target, this is when we really need to see more impetus and drive to make that happen and that, if we do not do so, we are at risk of not meeting it?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Claire Baker

Thank you. I come now to Joanna Panese, from Scottish Autism. Carmel McKeogh talked about the support that her organisation gives to young autistic people. From national figures, we know that, for the 16 to 64 age group, people with autism have the lowest employment rate compared with those with other conditions. They are right at the bottom. We also know that although autistic people are often university graduates, they find it more difficult than other graduates to find work—and the pay is not as good, I think. Will you say a bit about that, in relation to what the key barriers and problems are?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Claire Baker

We had a session with The Usual Place from Dumfries, and we met the young people who work there. What you have said chimes with some of the evidence that we heard in that session.

I should also let members know that, this morning, the Education, Children and Young People Committee published its report on additional support for learning. We have not yet had a chance to look at that report, but that committee has been doing work on the educational side of the issue.

I will hand over to Maggie Chapman.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Claire Baker

Thank you, Heather. Just before I bring in Brian Whittle, I want to raise an issue that was highlighted by last week’s panel that you might want to comment on. We are picking up that there is a significant pay gap for people with disabilities.

Moreover, what do you think the appropriate balance should be between voluntary and paid work? Do you feel that, as far as disabled people are concerned, there is not an expectation that their work would be paid? Is there instead an expectation that their work is voluntary? I do not know whether you want to comment on those two things.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Claire Baker

Yes.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Claire Baker

My final question is linked to Kevin Stewart’s question on the access to work scheme, about which we have had quite a lot of discussion this morning. Is access to work the main support mechanism for disabled people who wish to access employment, or is it not suitable for people for whom employment would not be their primary source of support? When the committee went on external visits, access to work did not seem to be the main model. I am not sure whether that was because such support is difficult to access or because it is not the right mechanism for some people. Chirsty McFadyen, would you like to comment?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Claire Baker

Thank you, Angela. I come to Vikki Manson, who is here from the Federation of Small Businesses Scotland. Vikki, is there anything additional that you would say about employers’ experience? You represent small and medium-sized enterprises in Scotland, and, in your written submission, you said that some 20 per cent of

“small business owners are disabled or have a health condition”

and that SMEs are

“more likely to employ disabled people than larger businesses”.

Will you talk us through anything additional around barriers and about the reasons for the higher percentage of disabled people in SMEs than in larger businesses?