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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 August 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Claire Baker

Good morning and welcome to the 12th meeting in 2022 of the Economy and Fair Work Committee. Our first item of business is a decision on whether to take item 4 in private. Do members agree to take item 4 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Claire Baker

Our next item of business is the continuation of our town centres and retail inquiry. The broad theme for today鈥檚 meeting is e-commerce and opportunities for Scottish businesses. The committee will hear evidence from two panels. I welcome the first panel: Gillian Crawford, managing director at Lily Blanche; Carolyn Currie, chief executive of Women鈥檚 Enterprise Scotland; Stuart Mackinnon, head of communications and public affairs at the Federation of Small Businesses Scotland; and Dr Peter Mowforth, chief executive of Indez. Thank you all for coming.

As always, I ask members and witnesses to keep their questions and answers as concise as possible. The witnesses may not be asked to respond to every question, but they will get an opportunity to speak during the evidence session. I will ask the first question, and will give all our witnesses an opportunity to have a brief go at it.

During the evidence that we have heard so far, there has been a discussion about the role of e-commerce. Some contend that it is an undue threat to high streets and that it is one of the contributing factors in the demise of high streets because everybody shops online now, and nobody goes down to their high street. Is that how you see e-commerce in the future? What do you think is its relevance? Is it a threat to the high street or does it have something positive to bring to the high street? I will bring in Gillian Crawford first.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Claire Baker

Thank you, Peter. Carolyn, would you like to come in?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Claire Baker

I will bring in Michelle Thomson, who is interested in some of the issues that you have raised, and I will then bring in Gordon MacDonald.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Claire Baker

A level playing field has been mentioned. Stuart Mackinnon mentioned the giants in online retailing that have been seen as drawing business away from high streets and bricks-and-mortar businesses. Is this the wrong time to introduce an online sales tax? Are we in a more mixed phase of retail, in which we are trying to encourage businesses on high streets to do more online sales, or should online-only sales be taxed and feed into taxation on an equivalent basis to bricks-and-mortar businesses?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Claire Baker

Thank you. Finally, Gillian Crawford talked about the example of Schuh, which is combining its retail sales with online sales. Because the committee is looking at town centres, we are interested in the places where people live, work and socialise. The move to online sales affects the fabric of high streets. What is the way forward on that? Is it the combined model that Gillian spoke about? Are businesses moving towards that? Are there barriers to that?

When we visited Dumfries, we heard about a big retailer that had moved from having a physical shop to having a kind of locker, and that there are advantages in having a locker-type system. How do we encourage businesses to remain on the high street and to deliver two services from the same place?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Claire Baker

What I meant was whether the demand for support is the same or is stronger in some areas.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Claire Baker

I have a question for Neil Francis and Siobhan McDermit. I asked initially about the retail sector and Business Gateway. Will they say a bit about the support that Scottish Development International provides to the retail sector in Scotland, if it works with that sector at all?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Claire Baker

Thank you. Would Peter Mowforth like to come in?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Claire Baker

Thank you, Carolyn. We will discuss at a future meeting some of the issues that you have raised.

I ask witnesses to be concise in their replies, so that we can get through as much business as possible.

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