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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 August 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Vaccination Certification

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

Murdo Fraser

Thank you, convener, and good morning, witnesses.

In his opening remarks, Neil Doncaster said that we are looking at a very short timescale for this; indeed, I think that the first weekend that it will apply will be that of Saturday 2 October, which in effect gives us two weeks. How realistic is it for clubs to bring these measures in, given that, at the moment, we seem to have very little clarity as to what exactly will be required of them?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement, Coronavirus Act Reports and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

Murdo Fraser

I will follow up on the convener’s point. I have been contacted by individuals who have season tickets for football clubs in Scotland but who live in England or Northern Ireland. In just two weeks’ time, they will have to produce vaccination certification. I understand that there is not currently a system that would permit them to access their football clubs. Is that issue being resolved? Will it be resolved in time?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Vaccination Certification

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

Murdo Fraser

I have a question for Catriona McMillan. It is a follow-up to John Mason’s question about ethical objections to vaccination passports.

I have had correspondence from one constituent who has a religious objection to vaccination. Some religious groups are in that position. Do you have any views on the human rights aspects of vaccination passports in that context, given that religious belief is a protected characteristic?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Vaccination Certification

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

Murdo Fraser

I have been contacted by individuals living in England and Northern Ireland who have season tickets for Scottish clubs and who hope to travel to Scotland in two weeks’ time to attend a football match. However, as things stand, I understand that there is no technology that allows those who have certification from outside Scotland to be permitted to access Scottish events. Do you have any clarity about that issue, or do you have any sense of how that will be resolved?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement, Coronavirus Act Reports and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

Murdo Fraser

That is very helpful.

I have one more question. It is on the slightly different issue of vaccination certification, and it came from a constituent who emailed me this week. He said that he downloaded his record of vaccination and was able to change every element on the certificate. In fact, he sent me a copy of his download, in which he had changed all the information. He was even able to remove large sections of the QR code. Is that an issue? How robust is the security around this? Although I hope that only a small minority of the population would ever seek to amend their vaccination certificate, how robust are the mechanisms to make sure that it does not become a widespread problem?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement, Coronavirus Act Reports and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

Murdo Fraser

Thank you. It is very helpful to get that on the record.

A short time ago, we heard evidence from Neil Doncaster, who raised a number of practical issues around implementation, one of which was the practicality of stewarding at football grounds. As everybody knows, there are issues in the labour market at the moment. Recruiting the number of stewards that would be required to make the system credible is a real challenge for clubs, notwithstanding the cost implications. Has the Scottish Government reached a view on whether spot checks will be deemed sufficient? What other practical engagement is there, and what guidance is being given to clubs about how the system can be set up within the next two weeks?

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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2021

Murdo Fraser

I have just one more question for, I think, Professor Leitch, given that he is the expert on vaccinations.

The convener asked about the problems of those who have been vaccinated overseas, but another issue that lies closer to home relates to those who participated in early vaccine trials and who therefore did not get certification. In fact, my colleague Douglas Lumsden, who is a North East Scotland MSP, falls within that category, and last week he raised the issue with the First Minister, in the chamber. Has that issue now been resolved and are those who took part in vaccine trials able to get certification?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2021

Murdo Fraser

We know that such codes were available to residents in England and Wales much earlier. Is there any reason why it took the Scottish Government so long to introduce them?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2021

Murdo Fraser

Before I come to my substantial questions, I want to ask a process question. Cabinet secretary, it looks as though you are sitting in your ministerial office, which is a few feet away from our committee room. Is there any particular reason why you are not joining us in the committee room, which, from our point of view, would be a better venue and would enable us to have a more helpful exchange than we can have with you sitting in your office contributing via videolink?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2021

Murdo Fraser

Thank you, cabinet secretary. I think that that would be helpful and is perhaps something that we can discuss with your officials separately.

I want to ask a couple of follow-ups to the convener’s questions. Constituents of mine who are travelling to France for family reasons are concerned that the QR code will not be available in time. I understand that it was made available as of Friday last week, but it would be helpful if you could confirm that. To the best of your knowledge, is it working well? Have there been any problems with it, or is it too early to say?