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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Murdo Fraser

Thanks. With the previous witnesses, my colleague Alex Rowley touched on the issue of how messages are communicated. We saw regular briefings on television, particularly in the early part of the campaign. Have you made any evaluation of who were the best communicators of those messages? We saw politicians—Boris Johnson and Nicola Sturgeon—giving the messages, and we saw people such as Jason Leitch and, down south, Chris Whitty giving them. Did people take the messages better from politicians or from medical professionals?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Murdo Fraser

That is very diplomatically put.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Murdo Fraser

Just for clarity, does Ofcom have any role in policing what is on the internet? Do you have any locus in that?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Murdo Fraser

Yes. I am sorry—that was a rather unfair question on FACTS. The point that I was trying to make is that it was designed to be a simple message but, in fact, it ended up being unduly complex. I will follow up on the convener’s question: is work being done to understand how effective that sort of message was? Did it cut through to the public? Was it easily understood?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Murdo Fraser

My second question follows on from that comment. There was one group of people who basically said, “Covid is a hoax—don’t believe it,” and there was another group of people who took a slightly more rational view, which was, “We accept that Covid is a problem, but we’re nervous about being vaccinated because these vaccines have only just been invented and we don’t know what the long-term consequences will be.” Earlier, the convener mentioned pregnant women’s concerns about taking the vaccine. Therefore, were the public health messages across the UK sufficient to reassure people who were concerned about vaccinations? To what extent were those messages undermined by misinformation on the internet and elsewhere?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Murdo Fraser

Good morning. I will follow up the convener’s questions to Dr Phin. I am interested to hear that your perspective has changed because you were working south of the border and moved north during the pandemic, so you have a double interest.

With regard to how effective the public health campaigns were, I remember that there was quite an effective slogan from the UK health department—“Hands. Face. Space”. I do not know whether that was your brainchild—no. However, in Scotland, we had FACTS. I am yet to find anybody who could tell me what “FACTS” stood for. Can you help me out? Can you remember what “FACTS” stands for?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Murdo Fraser

Good morning, panel. Over the past two years, all the parliamentarians here will have experienced constituents writing in to express their views, including saying that Covid is a hoax, that it is all a conspiracy by the Government and that vaccinations are there to try and control the population, and usually linking to articles in obscure corners of the internet to back up their argument. I will put this question to Dr Dawn Holford first, because it is covered a bit in the paper that she submitted. What is the motivation for those who are actively spreading disinformation on the internet, which people pick up on?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Murdo Fraser

Everybody else wants in so I ask you all to be quite brief.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Murdo Fraser

I invite Callum Hood to comment and ask him to be fairly brief because we are running out of time.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Murdo Fraser

I would like to bring in Stefan Webster to speak about Ofcom’s perspective. Throughout the pandemic, there were stages when Scotland and the rest of the UK were doing things at different times and the rules were changing. Therefore, people would watch the 6 o’clock news and hear a message from Chris Whitty or the UK Government saying one thing and then watch the Scottish news and hear something different from Nicola Sturgeon or Jason Leitch. Is there any evidence that that caused confusion for the public? Was that identified as a problem?