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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 June 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Murdo Fraser

It is very much a collaborative approach of working with your colleagues.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Murdo Fraser

That is very helpful. I turn to Mr Naylor to ask a couple of questions about HMICS. It has wide-ranging powers from the 2012 act, including the

“power to do anything that you consider necessary or expedient for the purposes of, or in connection with, the carrying out of their functions”.

How do you avoid those powers overlapping with those of other bodies?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Murdo Fraser

I have a very quick follow-up question. To encapsulate your point, Mr Ireland, you can see no advantage to your becoming an SPCB-supported body, as opposed to what you are. Do you think that that would make no difference to the independence of operation that you have?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Murdo Fraser

I have one last question. I am sorry that Jack Norquoy did not get to answer the previous one but maybe he can come in on this as well. The Scottish Government is considering moving apprenticeship funding from Skills Development Scotland to the Scottish Funding Council. Would that help or hinder how apprenticeships are supported? I see that Paul Sheerin wants to come in.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Murdo Fraser

I will ask a slightly different question about funding for apprenticeship places, which is an issue that we have heard a lot about in evidence. I think that it was the SCORE Group that raised the apprenticeship levy at last week’s committee meeting. Many Scottish businesses are frustrated about paying the levy without it being transparent where the money goes. We were told that, particularly for businesses that operate across the UK, there is more transparency south of the border on apprenticeship levy money coming back and that the amount of money that they get per apprentice is much higher down south than it is in Scotland. I would be interested to get any perspectives that you have on that. Paul Sheerin is nodding, so I will start with you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Murdo Fraser

Does anybody else have a thought on what the barriers are?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Murdo Fraser

I will pick up on Lorna Slater’s point about graduate apprenticeships, which is a very interesting model that we have talked a lot about this in the committee. It seems that the opportunities for graduate apprenticeships and all the advantages that they brings are not being matched by the supply. Where is the barrier? Is it in the institutions? Anecdotally, I have heard that some universities are not very keen on graduate apprenticeships, as their preferred model is one in which only full-time students enrol; there are funding issues as well. Paul Campbell is nodding. Do you have any thoughts on that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Murdo Fraser

That is me, convener.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Murdo Fraser

Thanks—that is very helpful.

On funding more broadly, you have all highlighted experiences of apprenticeships being advertised and the number of applicants far outweighing the number of places. What is the barrier to offering more apprenticeship places from an industry point of view? I put that question to Paul Sheerin. Is it primarily to do with funding, a lack of capacity among employers or a lack of opportunities further down the track so that employers are not taking on people to undertake apprenticeships unless they see a future career path for them?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Murdo Fraser

We heard a moment ago about some of the issues with colleges in Scotland. What is your experience of dealing with colleges in Scotland?