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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 November 2023

Murdo Fraser

Thank you, convener. Yes, I have a particular interest in fly-tipping. I have a member鈥檚 bill in preparation on the issue and I welcome in particular section 10 of the bill, which places an enhanced duty of care on the householder.

I will ask two questions, convener, but I will ask them at the same time, if that is all right. A lot of the questions that I would have asked have already been covered.

I will direct my first question to Councillor Macgregor from COSLA. Fixed penalty notices currently sit at 拢200, and I think that we all accept that is nowhere near the level that it needs to be to act as a deterrent. In its strategy鈥攁lthough it is not in the bill鈥攖he Scottish Government is suggesting increasing the penalty to 拢500. Is that enough, and is there some mechanism whereby the money raised could be recycled into greater enforcement? How practical is it to try to ring fence money raised from fixed penalty notices to deal with the resource issue?

My second question goes back to what Drew Murdoch was just saying. When I ran my consultation on fly-tipping, one of the biggest issues that people raised with me was how restrictions on access to recycling centres were one of the drivers of fly-tipping. We have seen councils, usually because of budgetary conditions, reducing opening hours in recycling centres, closing them entirely or introducing queuing or appointment systems. That is not in any way an excuse for people fly-tipping, but you can see why鈥攈uman nature being what it is鈥攊f you make it more difficult for people to legally dispose of material, they are more likely to fly-tip. To what extent is that a factor?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 November 2023

Murdo Fraser

Good morning, panel. I have a particular interest in fly-tipping, on which I am preparing a member鈥檚 bill. I very much welcome section 10, on the enhanced duty on householders; that is good progress.

I have three fly-tipping questions on which I would like your view; I will ask them together. First, we know that fly-tipping is serious and that it is as much an urban issue as it is a rural issue. There is concern about the level of fixed-penalty notices, which is currently set at 拢200. There is nothing in the bill suggesting that that should be increased, but the Scottish Government鈥檚 fly-tipping strategy, published in June, suggested increasing the fixed penalty to 拢500. I am interested to get your views on whether that would be a sufficient deterrent or not.

Secondly, when I ran my consultation on fly-tipping, people responded very strongly that the more barriers we put in the way of the legal disposal of waste, the more we were likely to drive up rates of fly-tipping. If councils are, for example, reducing access to recycling centres, as many are currently doing due to budgetary issues, will that see more fly-tipping? I would be interested in your views on that.

Thirdly, and lastly, is there anything that is not in the bill that would be useful to you when it comes to trying to address the problem of fly-tipping?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 November 2023

Murdo Fraser

Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 November 2023

Murdo Fraser

Thank you. I have a follow-up question for you, David. You talked about problems with enforcement, which I appreciate, and about resourcing. If we were to increase the level of penalties, would it be helpful if there were some mechanism whereby you could ring fence that money, so that it went back into better enforcement, for example, to be more resource for your team?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Murdo Fraser

I would like to change direction a little bit and ask about the just transition fund. We took some evidence last week from community groups that have benefited from the fund. We also heard different views on the way the fund was being administered by the Scottish National Investment Bank.

I would like to start by asking you whether you have any particular view on the just transition fund generally. Do you think that it is appropriate that it is being handled by the Scottish National Investment Bank, as opposed to another body? Is there enough transparency around the fund and how it is being administered?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Murdo Fraser

Thank you. That was a very helpful and comprehensive answer.

On innovation and new technologies being developed, is there enough awareness in companies in the sector about the just transition fund? How easy is it to access that fund?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Murdo Fraser

Yes.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Murdo Fraser

Thank you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Murdo Fraser

So the fund is not helpful to you in your skills work.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Murdo Fraser

Thank you. That is very helpful. Does anybody want to add anything?