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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

Thank you.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

Good morning. I want to ask some questions on audit fees and costs, because that has come up in our evidence, including from the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman. The committee is dealing with SPCB supported bodies, which tend to have relatively small budgets, and the cost of audit is therefore a substantial burden on them. How does Audit Scotland determine the audit fees that are charged to those bodies? How do you ensure that those fees are fair and proportionate?

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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

Thank you. That was very helpful. In fact, you have pre-empted my follow-up question, which was about potentially reviewing the funding model. You seem to be suggesting that, in contemplation, you are not enthusiastic about that.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

Thank you.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

I have a final question for all three of you, but I am conscious of time, so please give brief answers. When a member proposes a new commissioner, the non-Government bills unit advises the member to discuss the proposal with other commissioners or bodies operating in the landscape that the proposal impacts on. Did you consult other bodies as recommended? If so, what did you discuss and how did it influence your proposal?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

Do you know how much it costs?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

Thank you.

The third concern that the association has raised with us is the lack of statutory guidance on how the code will operate in practice. The association wanted a requirement for the guidance to be in place at least six months before the code鈥檚 introduction and it is concerned about the guest beer provision in the regulations, which it says will be very difficult for pubcos to manage or monitor. No guidance on how the adjudicator will deal with that has been issued. When do you expect any such guidance to be issued?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

Thank you for that. The second concern that the association has raised is that no information has been given about the code鈥檚 total cost or the amounts to be levied against pub companies in order to pay for the adjudicator.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

Given that we are expecting the new rules to come in on 31 March, will guidance be in place before then?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

Good morning, minister and officials. As you said, minister, the committee considered the matter last year. Stakeholders on both sides raised quite a number of concerns with us. It is fair to say that, as you characterised the position, there are some almost irreconcilable differences between the different parties. On the one side, there are the pub tenants and, on the other side, there are the large breweries that own the pubs, and it is sometimes very difficult to find any consensus between the two.

You said that there had been additional consultation. From that consultation, have you been able to reach any consensus on the way forward?