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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Michael Matheson

I was just taking on board your point about the lack of a definition of “community” and testing whether you have a clear understanding of what you think should be applied in defining that against what is proposed in the bill. I take it from what you said that you think that it should not be in the bill, but should be addressed in guidance. That could be more principle based, rather than being overly prescriptive, to help to define what a community is. Is that a fair reflection of what you are saying?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Michael Matheson

Section 6 will establish the land and communities commissioner. Has the Government got the establishment of the commissioner right?

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Michael Matheson

I am conscious that that matter is not necessarily entirely within your portfolio responsibilities. However, like any good Government, you would always want to learn lessons from experience and build on those. I have no doubt that, if the Government felt that there was a more appropriate mechanism in the future, it would want to introduce that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Michael Matheson

Get Glasgow Moving is saying that, even if you oppose the idea of a panel, given the timelines that SPT has set out, it would be better to take the SSI forward as an interim arrangement to allow it to make progress on the matter but with a view to the Government considering whether, in the future, there might be a more appropriate mechanism than the panel system set out in the legislation. Would the Government consider that, given the concerns about the panel?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Michael Matheson

Therefore, if SPT took something forward later in 2026 and the SSI had been annulled, we would be in the situation that ministers have set out, namely that the traffic commissioner would have established a panel but that we would have no control over how the panel operated because of the existing arrangements in primary legislation. Is that correct?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Michael Matheson

I believe so. From the check that I have made, it published documents in 2023. That is its own timeline. On the basis of that timeline, and that evidence, that would mean that a decision on whether to go to a panel would have to be in place by the end of 2026. Is that correct?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Michael Matheson

The committee has received only limited evidence on the matter. Only one individual and two organisations have so far provided evidence, because the committee has had little time to pursue the issue. In the latter part of the evidence that we received from Get Glasgow Moving it referred to SPT’s own timeline for the Strathclyde regional bus strategy process, which is part of its review of the franchising model. It set out that

“its franchising proposals will not be ready for the full independent financial audit (to be followed by the statutory public consultation) until the end of 2025.”

It went on to say:

“This means that they will not be ready for final approval until later in 2026.”

It then explained:

“This gives a window of at least a year for the necessary legislative changes to be made”.

Does that timeline for SPT seeking to take the matter to a panel sound right, given the evidence that we have received?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Michael Matheson

Therefore, your answer to that question is no.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Michael Matheson

I am questioning that because of what Get Glasgow Moving said about what would happen if the panel issue was not resolved. To be fair to it, I am paraphrasing what it said and it might want to challenge this, but it said that, if the requirement for a panel cannot be removed within that timeframe, the SSI should be passed as an interim measure only, with a view to doing something more appropriate in the future. With regard to the timeline that SPT has set out, is it likely that primary legislation will be brought forward between now and the end of 2026—or at least later in 2026—to remove the requirement for a panel to consider any franchising proposal?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Michael Matheson

You also cannot bind any post-2026 Government anyway. I am conscious that, even after an election, legislation tends to get pushed back as committees are established and priorities are set. That is helpful, thank you.