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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Matheson

Okay. Let us examine the approach to lotting that is set out in the bill. I understand that the transfer test will be a public interest test, but I still struggle to understand why we would not put on a statutory footing, through the bill, some form of public interest test duty for the factors that will be taken into consideration in decisions about lotting, for example. Why does the bill not set that on a statutory footing?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Appointment of the Chair of Environmental Standards Scotland

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Matheson

Good afternoon, Richard. You have been a member of the board since the setting up of ESS, as you mentioned in your opening contribution. What would you bring specifically to the role of chair of the board, if you were appointed?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Appointment of the Chair of Environmental Standards Scotland

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Matheson

You mentioned in your opening contribution that you thought that ESS had been doing well since it was established. What do you think it has been doing well, and not doing well, during your time on the board?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Matheson

You mentioned the duration of land management plans. As it stands, the bill envisages them being reviewed and, if necessary, revised every five years. Some of the evidence that the committee has heard suggests that five years is too short a timeframe in relation to managing land. I am told that forestry plans, for example, are often for 20 or 30 years. I suppose that part of the challenge is whether five years is an appropriate timeframe in which to look at revising a management plan and incurring further costs when that might not be realistic. Are you open to the idea of increasing that timeframe for revising land management plans?

I am conscious that, if you are open to that, it becomes more difficult. The longer the period during which a plan is due to be implemented, the more difficult it is to be specific, because circumstances change. If you were minded to look at extending the revising period, is there a need to balance how specific a land management plan can be over a longer period of time?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Matheson

If we get to the point where someone is the third-largest landowner in the country but does not have a land management plan to their name, while someone who happens to have one piece of land that is just over the threshold has to go to the extent of having a full land management plan, there will be a real inequity to that. That needs to be addressed.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Matheson

I do not understand why we cannot spell out in the bill what will be considered in the public interest test duty. Why can we not do that? We do it in other legislation, do we not?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Matheson

Before he does, why is it not necessary to put the test in this bill, but it was necessary in other legislation?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Matheson

Let us take a step back, please, because I do not think that that was a helpful response.

Can you explain why the bill should be treated differently from other pieces of legislation in which we have specified the public interest test, if the intention is for the transfer provisions in the bill鈥攖he transfer test鈥攖o be a public interest test? What prohibits us from doing that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Matheson

If, however, we wanted to introduce additional measures alongside that, they could be put on a statutory footing in the bill.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Matheson

I think that we have got the point.