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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Michael Matheson

Okay, perhaps I should ask you about this in a slightly different way. A just transition is about creating economic and social benefit here in Scotland. What economic and social benefit do we get in Scotland when you procure electric buses from China?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Michael Matheson

I would come back on that. I understand what you are saying about the potential for battery electric, but that will only take you so far. You will still have to use diesel. What are you doing to look at reducing the carbon output from any units that you have in the future that are using diesel? Are you doing that in a way that can help to create economic activity here in Scotland?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Michael Matheson

I have a couple of quick questions. You do not expect to reach your PPM target this year, but you expect a marked improvement on where you were last year. What would be a marked improvement?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Michael Matheson

So, if industry sees itself as having a role in delivering a just transition, it is not doing it very well if it is procuring buses from China rather than using Scottish and UK manufacturers so that they can expand their capacity in order to deliver a just transition to net zero.

If we achieve net zero, but we do not have any jobs to show for it, that is not a just transition. Does your industry think that it has a role to play in ensuring that it is generating economic value in the country by using some of the subsidy that you get from the Scottish Government and Scottish taxpayers to manufacture buses here鈥攊n Scotland or in the UK鈥攖o ensure that you play a role in delivering a just transition?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Michael Matheson

Good morning. Obviously, good progress has been made in decarbonising some of the fleet in Scotland, but achieving net zero is not only an end in itself; it is about helping to support a just transition to net zero. Does your industry see itself as having a role in helping to ensure that we deliver a just transition and, if so, how are you doing that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Michael Matheson

I want to return to the issue of new technologies for decarbonising the rail network, but particularly on the passenger side. Large parts of the rail network are not electrified and are unlikely to be electrified in the next couple of decades. What approach is ScotRail taking to identify other technologies that could be deployed that would help to reduce the carbon output of existing diesel sets? How are you going about achieving that in a way that helps to deliver economic benefit to Scotland through job creation and the development of technology in Scotland?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Michael Matheson

Dynamic pricing.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Michael Matheson

It was.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Michael Matheson

Good morning. Joanne, your PPM target is 92.5 per cent. What did you achieve in 2024-25?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Michael Matheson

Okay. Right now, your prediction for achieving the PPM target is that, at the earliest, it will be in year 4 of the five-year plan.