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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 24 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Mark Ruskell

It depends on how you value and monitor it. If there is testing, such as soil testing, and evaluation of biodiversity—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Mark Ruskell

Has there been any discussion with ESS in relation to the development of the regulations, or have SEPA and ESS been communicating directly with the Government and not with each other?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Mark Ruskell

Okay. ESS is your regulator. It assesses whether you are enforcing regulations appropriately. It also advises on whether the law is appropriate, whether regulations need to be changed and whether regimes need to be amended, and on their compliance with EU law. That is my understanding. Is that your understanding?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Mark Ruskell

Okay—thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Mark Ruskell

It is a gap in relation to these regulations, is it not?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Mark Ruskell

Okay, but you are a science-based organisation, so what does that tell you, as scientists, about ammonia levels? If ammonia levels are going up, would you see that as a failure of regulation?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Mark Ruskell

That would be very welcome. Let me consider this from the perspective of a constituent. Let us say that I have a constituent who lives close to a dairy farm and that members of the family have particular lung health conditions that are exacerbated by particulates that are derived from ammonia. The family is looking for regulation, for answers to those problems and for action to be taken by the polluter. If they called your helpline, what information would you give them? Where do they sit in the authorisation framework?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Mark Ruskell

I am not talking about sewage sludge. The fact is that 92 per cent of ammonia comes from agriculture, so I am not talking about human sewage. I am talking about the inappropriate application and management of slurry wastes in a facility, resulting in increased ammonia.

Let us focus the discussion on where 92 per cent of the problem is in relation to ammonia. What actions do you take?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Mark Ruskell

I have just one more question.

I thank you for responding on what is a difficult issue, given that there is a gap. In that case, is there anything that SEPA—with your limited resources, which I acknowledge—is able to do in this space by, say, promoting good practice with the farming sector? Would that be in any way effective in dealing with the kinds of issues that I have just raised with you?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Mark Ruskell

A couple of years ago, your previous chief executive talked quite openly about SEPA focusing its activities on the big sectors that were not meeting environmental compliance—at the time, salmon farming was a focus, as was the Mossmorran plant—and that is where a lot of SEPA’s resources were going. He also talked about streamlining the regulatory process for sectors that were broadly compliant and in which a lack of compliance was a rarity.

The previous chief executive has been gone for some time, but is that the current direction of SEPA—simplifying regulation at one end and focusing on key sectors that are still problematic at the other end—or are we looking at a slightly different approach now? I am trying to see where you sit now, several years on, in relation to how you focus resources on the current environmental challenges in Scotland.