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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Mark Ruskell

I return to Bob Doris’s questions about full-fare-paying passengers and fare increases over time. As I understand it, between 2012 and 2022, fare prices increased by between 65 and 70 per cent across Scotland. That compares with the cost of motoring, which went up by only 35 per cent during that period. There appears to be a gap.

Drawing on Mr Doris’s comments, I am a little concerned that companies might look at the model and think that they will get a higher reimbursement rate if they keep pushing up the fares. Carole Stewart is shaking her head, so maybe that is not the case. Folks who are getting on a bus every day are seeing those increases and they are making a decision about whether to leave the car at home. If it is becoming cheaper to drive, that is an issue.

Is not the wider fare capping an issue with the model? Effectively, it means that higher fares result in more money for the companies. Carole Stewart is still shaking her head. Does she want to come in?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Mark Ruskell

Can you show with the model how that has played out over the period from 2012 to 2022, when adult bus fares went up by between 65 and 70 per cent? Was there a corresponding reduction in that reimbursement rate over time?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Mark Ruskell

It would be good to see how that plays out through the model, rather than it just being—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Mark Ruskell

Sorry to interrupt. I know that you have a lot of figures, but I want to consider this from the perspective of my constituents. If they have a concern about a particular factory or polluter, can they go online and track what has happened over time? Can they track whether there has been enforcement action, a penalty notice has been issued, remedial action has been taken or improvements have been made? Is the story of a particular site or operator—when they failed to meet compliance or when there was a rectification of action or a penalty—really clear, for our constituents to understand it? At the moment, I am not really getting that clarity.

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Mark Ruskell

I do, but I could move on if you want, convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Mark Ruskell

We have other examples. SEPA has come in for considerable criticism in relation to issues surrounding the disposal of salmon morts, in North Uist in particular. The public perception is that not enough is being done and that this happens time after time. I know that the salmon farming sector used up quite a lot of SEPA’s time a few years ago. Can you say anything about the particular case in North Uist—I think that it happened at Whiteshore Cockles processing site? There have been other examples reported in the media, which people are looking at and asking, “How is this allowed to happen?â€

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Mark Ruskell

So, it has not started yet, but it will start.

My final question on air quality picks up on the ESS improvement report from 2022. That report was critical of SEPA’s lack of use of the powers under section 85 of the Environment Act 1995, particularly in relation to taking action when you think that local authorities are not going far enough in relation to air quality management plans and the monitoring of air quality management areas. Can you provide an update on that? Have you used your section 85 powers and, if not, why not?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Mark Ruskell

You are a science-based organisation. What does the science tell you?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Mark Ruskell

Have you already provided guidance to the Scottish Government about the implications of adopting those 2021 WHO standards?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Mark Ruskell

I noticed that the reimbursement rate to bus companies for the young persons scheme has gone down a little. That has obviously come from the model and been accepted by CPT. That suggests to me that the Government will get a slightly better deal out of the reimbursement because we are paying less for the same sort of outcome.

What other outcomes could the Government get from the scheme? There is a question about conditionality. The bus companies get some money back for carrying passengers who are part of a concessionary scheme. What conditions could be put on that for the bus companies? I am thinking about quality and reliability of service, routes and even about investing in the fleet to tackle antisocial behaviour or protect workers. A huge amount of money goes to the bus companies every year through the network support grant and the two concessionary schemes, so how do we develop the public interest when, some public and community companies notwithstanding, those are private companies that are not obliged to deliver on public objectives beyond those that you are paying them for? How can we get a bit more conditionality in there to ensure that we have a public service that delivers what the public want?