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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Mark Ruskell

Sure—that is fine.

I want to reflect on the evidence that we had from SEPA when it came to the committee last month. We discussed the central overarching target of ensuring that about four fifths of our water bodies in Scotland, which include rivers and coastal lochs, are in good or better condition by 2027. SEPA identified that the biggest issue there is more to do with diffuse pollution, which comes from agriculture and other sources more generally, rather than from CSOs specifically.

I ask you for your reflection on that. It feels like it is a big issue if we miss that target. What more can ESS do? Do you share SEPA’s concerns? Where should the pressure on Government, or on other bodies, be?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Mark Ruskell

What kind of output will we see from ESS on that? Arguably, this area is harder to tackle. It should be relatively easy where Scottish Water has consent for discharge of CSOs—that is permitted and there is a set of rules, and if you break those rules, you are out of compliance. Diffuse pollution is harder—it is about farmers and landowners, and regulation, good practice or whatever. It feels like a trickier issue to deal with.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Mark Ruskell

I will move from water to air. You will be aware that the committee is currently looking at a petition that recommends the adoption of the World Health Organization’s recommendations in relation to nitrous oxide and particulate matter. You have already been in touch with the Scottish Government to recommend that it adopts those guidelines on particulate matter. Have you had a response from the Government on that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Mark Ruskell

Dr Dixon, do you want to come in?

11:30  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Mark Ruskell

One area of biodiversity that you have focused on is the designation and protection of internationally important wetlands—the Ramsar sites—and the two-tier level of protection that exists in that respect. I am aware that the Scottish Government is consulting on that, and I think that you have supported those recommendations, but is there a timescale for implementing them? Will you request the Government to introduce a timescale for implementation, and does that link into the Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Mark Ruskell

Would you say that ESS is holding back a bit—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Mark Ruskell

You do not have a view in advance of CAFS3 being consulted on.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Mark Ruskell

You are waiting for the process.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Mark Ruskell

I would not eat what was coming out of the distillery that I used to live next to, to be honest, nor would I want to smell it.

Perhaps I can reference the brewery sector here, because, as I understand it, this is about trying to create a level playing field with brewing. Is that right?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Mark Ruskell

I have just a follow-up question. I am aware that you have a memorandum of understanding with the United Kingdom Climate Change Committee, and that one of its principles is a “no surprises” approach. Was it a surprise that the CCC delayed its advice to the Scottish Government over the carbon budget? Were you aware of that?