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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Mark Ruskell

I have one further question if there is time, convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Mark Ruskell

Then you could say that there was an assessment across areas of transport policy, energy policy or whatever, and that certain policies were determined as resulting in a material change, but others were not. Showing those workings is important for the whole process.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Mark Ruskell

It would be useful to have more detail on that.

I skip to another set of questions, which are about the climate change assessment of the budget and the different strands within that. A net zero assessment pilot has taken place in Government and I gather that there is an independent review as well. When will those be available for us to look at?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Mark Ruskell

That has been a good example of Parliament working constructively with Government over several parliamentary sessions. I go back to my original question. Will the assessment pilot and the independent expert review be published? Will we get transparency about the individual decisions on whether particular policies will result in material change? How much of that will Government publish?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Mark Ruskell

I think that we had those last year, and they added something, but it is still very hard to make an assessment of how climate change has influenced individual policies. That has always been the difficulty of scrutinising budgets. The overall narrative is great, but the taxonomy is still questionable, because although it says that £4.9 billion is being spent, loosely, on climate change, there are some things on the list that do not really add up to climate action. They are climate neutral—perhaps they are creating a supportive environment for climate action, but they are not exactly climate action.

I question whether the two things that have been produced and were produced last year actually help the committee and the Parliament to get a grip on where spending is going.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Mark Ruskell

However, EPR is not coming this year, is it?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Mark Ruskell

It would be good if we could get a breakdown of that £360 million, if not now, then at another time, so that we can see exactly what is on track.

Related to this is the proposed heat in buildings bill, which, if it becomes an act, will be an absolute game changer in developing demand and the supply chain and in giving a clear indication of when heat in buildings will change. Is that coming?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Mark Ruskell

I am sorry to interrupt, but I just want to get some clarity. Am I right in saying, then, that the working assumption is that the budget will be the same as last year’s for the individual programmes that you have just spoken about—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Mark Ruskell

—unless there is a decision post budget to change the allocation of different schemes?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Mark Ruskell

I realise that this is an innovative policy space and that, in some ways, the Parliament is taking a lead on it, but I am also aware that time is running out. Last year was the hottest year on record globally, so we need to make decisions now that do not lock in emissions. To wait another year for more transparency is perhaps not meeting the nature of the emergency, but I recognise the work that has been done on all sides, including by clerks of the committee, the Scottish Parliament information centre and others.

That is it for me just now, convener. I will come back in on another question later.