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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 September 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

National Outcomes

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Mark Ruskell

Thank you, convener. In recent weeks, the committee has taken a lot of evidence on what makes a good global citizen. The main theme that has come through has been the importance of Scotland’s role as a climate leader and in taking international action on climate change. Credibility is an important part of that. Do the panellists see any inherent contradiction in that?

Much of your written evidence has included comments about international aviation and, for example, the need to increase the number of international flights, open up new routes and increase visitor numbers. That puts us in complete contradiction as regards the work that we are trying to do to show our climate leadership. Without there being a credible path towards developing sustainable aviation fuels, is there not an inherent acknowledgement there that such business growth and international connectivity through aviation will set us against those climate objectives? I am interested in hearing how you would square those aspects.

I think that Vicki Miller said earlier that we are now seeing in the sector a pivot away from domestic tourism and that VisitScotland is very much going to lean into that, in recognition of the fact that that is where the market is going. In switching away from investing in attracting people to holidays at home and really leaning into the international market, do you acknowledge that there are contradictions and potential credibility issues in there? If so, how would you attempt to square them?

Do you want to start, Vicki?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

National Outcomes

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Mark Ruskell

I think that you have acknowledged that there is a bit of contradiction there, and the question is how we square that.

I just wanted to ask you about the use of other transport modes to connect Scotland. There has been renewed interest in a Rosyth to continental Europe ferry service, but I am not quite sure where we are with that as a well-defined offering for tourists. You will have also seen the trends in continental Europe, with the growth in overnight train journeys, and the actions of some Governments, particularly the French Government, in restricting domestic flights and pushing travel and tourism more in a certain direction. Obviously we face challenges in that respect, not least because of Brexit, but I am interested in hearing about the extent to which the Scottish tourism sector is looking at connectivity beyond aviation. When I read your submission, I felt that it seemed to be saying, “Let’s have more flights,” and it did not seem to say very much about more lower-carbon and perhaps more future-proofed forms of interconnectivity.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

National Outcomes

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Mark Ruskell

Thank you. That is very useful.

10:15  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Mark Ruskell

I have got just one final question, convener. Is it okay if we go back to you after that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Mark Ruskell

Good morning, minister and officials. I am sorry that I cannot join you in person. You spoke about moving forward in a spirit of collaboration. What does that route forward now look like, in terms of trying to secure agreement on interoperability and on other areas where there is significant uncertainty regarding the Scottish DRS and its interrelationship with other schemes around the UK? How does that now take place?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Mark Ruskell

Great. The question that follows on from that, minister, is about the divergence within the UK. Is there a sense that the UK Government wants one single scheme for the whole of the UK, or is it a matter of allowing the different nations of the UK to have their own schemes, but with a requirement for maximum alignment? Will any divergence at all be allowed? You mentioned that there might be different regulations in Northern Ireland in relation to bottle sizes. Is there one common model for DRS now across the UK that the UK Government wants to be in place, or is there the possibility of different schemes but with an element of alignment?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Mark Ruskell

I will gladly do that, convener.

I turn to the specific amendments that are being brought forward in the regulations today. Will the minister outline what those are and what the reaction from industry has been to those changes, given that many in the industry were calling for them?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Mark Ruskell

The second part of my question is about what the specific areas of uncertainty are. Could you run through those?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Mark Ruskell

Can I just get that clear? You are saying that, in effect, the common frameworks do not exist. What is the forum, then, for a discussion on all the areas of uncertainty, such as the level of the deposit in England’s scheme, and labelling? What is the forum for that uncertainty to be discussed and resolved?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Mark Ruskell

Right. Is there a way forward? What if Minister Pow turned round and said, “We’ll discuss all the areas of uncertainty and grant the Scottish DRS the ability to set the framework for the rest of the UK”? Or what if we just had a set of rules that could exist for a period of time?