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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

I ask the cabinet secretary to reflect on the fact that it was not just the exclusion of glass that was required in the internal market act exemption; it was an alignment of the deposit value with a scheme in England that did not exist at the time. Was that not the real reason why the scheme could not go ahead at that time? It could have gone ahead without glass but not without an answer to that question, which was an unanswerable question back in June 2023. I assume that there is now certainty about what the deposit level will be in the other schemes that the Scottish scheme will have to align with.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

Will EPR meet local authorities’ costs and enable them to invest in and expand glass recycling? Will a point come where it can only go so far in dealing with that line of waste?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

I am interested in how the exclusion of glass affects the overall economics of the deposit and return scheme and in the impact on local authorities. Can we start with the first of those? How does the exclusion of glass impact on the economics of the DRS?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Planning and Infrastructure Bill

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

I would like to get a bit of clarity on where you see the environmental outcomes reports and the existing EIA system applying? If, for example, there were consents for onshore transmission infrastructure under sections 36 or 37 of the Electricity Act 1989, would they now go through the Westminster system of EORs, or would it be expected that EIAs will still apply?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Planning and Infrastructure Bill

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

So, there will be two systems?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

You mentioned earlier the environmental outcomes and the increased emissions from not including glass in the system, so we do not need to dwell on that.

Wales is going ahead with including glass. I think that you said that that is primarily because Wales has a very high recycling rate and sees this as a way to drive it to the next level. How will the Welsh scheme be interoperable with the scheme that Scotland will now be part of? Are there discussions about how that interoperability will work and about the internal market act implications of the regulations in Wales? That is pertinent to the discussions that we had in Scotland a couple of years ago. Can Wales actually go ahead with this? Will it work with the scheme that you are now signed up to?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

If Wales is granted an internal market act exemption, it will be somewhat bittersweet for you and for the Scottish Government, but would it provide a route for you to come back at some point and include glass within a UK and Scottish scheme?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

Can I pick up on the council issue before you bring Haydn Thomas in? My understanding is that the inclusion of glass in the DRS would have meant that many councils could have wound down or reduced their kerbside recycling operations and saved money as a result. Are you expecting any changes due to councils having to maintain glass recycling—at a cost to them, because they do not make a profit from it—as a result of glass not being included? I am interested in where the cost will arise. Will it come to local authorities or will the extended producer responsibility kick in, with local authorities getting money for running such schemes? They will still have to collect and deal with what is a bulky, expensive and difficult-to-handle material.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

Okay. Haydn, will you comment on the economics of the exclusion of glass?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Planning and Infrastructure Bill

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

Yes. I read Scotland Against Spin’s response to the committee. I think that it was possibly the only group that actually submitted evidence. I recognise that there is a concern.

I wanted to ask for your view, cabinet secretary, on whether the good practice principles on community engagement are already being adhered to or whether you can point to examples of where developers are not engaging early on with communities, not doing a pre-application consultation, not holding exhibitions, and not gathering feedback on a development application and then offering feedback to those who have put in their views as to whether, as a result of those views, changes are being made or rejected. I am interested in the development process, how communities get involved very early on and how their views are respected.

Is the current voluntary system working, or are you coming across developers who are ignoring or bypassing it and saying, “It’s fine, we will just get through with very limited consultation”? Is good practice happening widely across the industry, or is that not happening, which is why you are bringing a mandatory requirement?